JerryBaumchen 1,425 #1676 August 25, 2022 Hi folks, Maybe if he had some common sense to go with that concealed carry permit: While Valderrama had a legal concealed carry permit 38-year-old man charged with murder in SODO road rage shooting – KIRO 7 News Seattle Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #1677 August 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: That's one item out of many but a great example of side stepping the issue. My point is that if you'll come at me with this: "Joe - I've clearly stated many actions that IMO should be taken. You've continually inferred that I support unfettered proliferation of assault weapons. That's not correct." And then back up that claim with fill in the blanks and shoulda oughta's you aren't being completely straight. I gave you the opportunity to clearly state and you are unwilling to do so. I don't blame you, actually, because like I pointed out what you claim to want when fleshed out would be serious gun regulations. It was a straight answer. It's not my fault that you lack the capacity to see or accept that, or if it wasn't good enough for YOU. Some of the suggestions require an age, or number to be determined. They were purposely stated that way to leave room for a good decision to be made by the lawmakers after proper research/study was done. On the age thing, some have suggested 21, that may be right or it may not be. Clearly we differ on some restrictions. No problem, we have differing opinions. Sometimes it seems that you just hate it when we agree on something. Copied from the original post: The only point I've been trying to make is that there are many more firearms, other than the typical AR like rifle, that are a problem. To focus solely on assault weapons is short-sighted and will have, at best, a small impact on gun deaths. I agree that it's reasonable to limit the typical semi auto hunting rifle to 5 rounds or less. Raise the age on purchases of non-hunting firearms, tighten up the application process, hammer anyone caught making a straw purchase (maybe some law that says after buying X? firearms a year one has to prove they still have them in their possession, have paperwork documenting the transfer, or if lost or stolen a police report is required), mandatory severe jail time if caught with a stolen firearm, laws requiring owners to be more responsible with managing/storing the weapon, confiscation if mental health becomes an issue, red flag laws, significantly higher training requirements to obtain a concealed weapons permit and ongoing training to keep it, liability laws/exposure for dealers that make errors, strengthen the requirements to obtain and retain an FFL license by requiring a minimum number of transactions per year, special application process for any long gun that can hold more than xx rounds in a magazine, shotguns that hold more than 6 rounds should be considered assault weapons, limit mag capacity with pistols to 10-12 rounds, mandatory prison sentence of 10 years for any crime committed with a gun, etc. etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #1678 August 25, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billeisele said: The only point I've been trying to make is that there are many more firearms, other than the typical AR like rifle, that are a problem. To focus solely on assault weapons is short-sighted and will have, at best, a small impact on gun deaths. While this is true, it's a start. Nobody is saying that is all that needs to be done. Why not start with the low hanging fruit? Edited August 25, 2022 by okalb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,425 #1679 August 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, okalb said: While this is true, it's a start. Nobody is saying that is all that needs to be done. Why not start with the low hanging fruit? Hi okalb, Because the NRA says to never give an inch. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,810 #1680 August 25, 2022 48 minutes ago, billeisele said: It was a straight answer. It's not my fault that you lack the capacity to see or accept that, or if it wasn't good enough for YOU. Some of the suggestions require an age, or number to be determined. They were purposely stated that way to leave room for a good decision to be made by the lawmakers after proper research/study was done. On the age thing, some have suggested 21, that may be right or it may not be. Clearly we differ on some restrictions. No problem, we have differing opinions. Sometimes it seems that you just hate it when we agree on something. Copied from the original post: The only point I've been trying to make is that there are many more firearms, other than the typical AR like rifle, that are a problem. To focus solely on assault weapons is short-sighted and will have, at best, a small impact on gun deaths. I agree that it's reasonable to limit the typical semi auto hunting rifle to 5 rounds or less. Raise the age on purchases of non-hunting firearms, tighten up the application process, hammer anyone caught making a straw purchase (maybe some law that says after buying X? firearms a year one has to prove they still have them in their possession, have paperwork documenting the transfer, or if lost or stolen a police report is required), mandatory severe jail time if caught with a stolen firearm, laws requiring owners to be more responsible with managing/storing the weapon, confiscation if mental health becomes an issue, red flag laws, significantly higher training requirements to obtain a concealed weapons permit and ongoing training to keep it, liability laws/exposure for dealers that make errors, strengthen the requirements to obtain and retain an FFL license by requiring a minimum number of transactions per year, special application process for any long gun that can hold more than xx rounds in a magazine, shotguns that hold more than 6 rounds should be considered assault weapons, limit mag capacity with pistols to 10-12 rounds, mandatory prison sentence of 10 years for any crime committed with a gun, etc. etc. No it wasn't a straight answer. Asked what value you would place on XX you offer that the value is for lawmakers to figure out. Well, lawmakers didn't make the statement, you did, hence my inquiry into what you thought. So, you'll just need to forgive me if I take your entire list of items as too vague to qualify as anything other than a pretense. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #1681 August 27, 2022 You still haven't said anything about that well-regulated militia part of the Second. While "ignoring the uncomfortable" isn't on your list, maybe it should be. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1682 August 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, wmw999 said: You still haven't said anything about that well-regulated militia part of the Second. While "ignoring the uncomfortable" isn't on your list, maybe it should be. Wendy P. Just imagine the discombobulation of the mind for the AR-15 a-totin republican. Who would have to join a militia to own a gun. That the state itself would then "well regulate" their conduct. The horror..the horror. 4 minutes ago, Slim King said: Obviously you don't know what the words "Well Regulated" meant over 200 years ago. That's why I provide a dictionary from the time period to every school I give Constitutions to ... perhaps you need to actually crack a book and see what it actually means.... it's really pretty basic. Since the government has bad @ss weapons then you also should have bad @ss weapons to protect yourselves from a tyrannical government. The guys who wrote it had just done that. Makes perfect sense. A .50 cal minigun in a armored vehicle. Better yet a manpad in case you feel that FOX has made the case to shoot down Air-force One. Its so obvious Wendy. You just don't know your constitution. Please now hang your head in shame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #1683 August 27, 2022 I only said you hadn't commented on it. If you'll recall from your undoubtedly extensive research, part of the justification for the Constitution was the Shays Rebellion, where the federal government couldn't, in fact, control the armed populace. And if militia was how the military was handled in 1789, why should that change, if "well regulated" didn't? It's just not as simple as either liberals or conservatives would like it to be. And, again from your undoubtedly extensive research, Madison's notes of the Constitutional Convention weren't published in part because the Founders wanted the statutes to be interpreted according to need, rather than according to the specific discussion in the convention Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #1684 August 27, 2022 No, mostly private schools. Only Jr. High was in public school. I did look up what well regulated meant; in good operating order, not necessarily "equipped." That "equipped" could be a part of good operating order is a matter of interpretation. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #1685 August 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, Slim King said: Great ... So now you know you were misguided when you thought it actually meant REGULATED. And you were misguided when you said it meant equipped. Wendy P. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,810 #1686 August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, wmw999 said: And you were misguided when you said it meant equipped. Wendy P. And he'll never admit it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1687 August 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: And he'll never admit it. You're right. Its central to the conservative tribal identity. That conservative alt right has self taught, self corrupted the constitution for several decades now. They solely interpret it to fit their personal views In a self fulfilling prophecy they mix white identities, religion-christian religion of course, guns and conservationism in equal amounts. They teach it to themselves in their universities, in their forums, their discourse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1688 August 29, 2022 I am still wondering why armed insurrection is against the law if owning firearms is in the constitution to overthrow the government ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #1689 August 30, 2022 9 hours ago, SkyDekker said: I am still wondering why armed insurrection is against the law if owning firearms is in the constitution to overthrow the government ... It's only illegal if you don't succeed. Or, in the case of the Confederacy, if the losers are forgiven and allowed to stay in positions of power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #1690 August 30, 2022 Next up: Off-duty foreign military personnel killed in drive-by after bar brawl.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62712298 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #1691 September 5, 2022 On 9/1/2022 at 8:30 AM, Slim King said: Another WHOPPER by this so called Liar in Chief... How do you support these blatant lies. Keep in mind Trump lied an average of 50 times a day. Biden is a huge improvement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #1692 September 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, Slim King said: ROTFLMAO.... Love to see that link.... His campaign has admitted it. Steve Bannon, who of course was the Trump campaign CEO and chief strategist (and now convicted criminal) came right out and said it. He said the press was the real enemy and "the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit." Which Trump did admirably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,558 #1693 September 5, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Slim King said: Show me........ Where’s the billion dollars in payoffs in Hunter’s emails? Show me. Edited September 5, 2022 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #1694 September 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Slim King said: Show me........ When you show what Hunter's e-mails said. Standard troll technique. Demand proof & documentation from OTHER people, yet provide NOTHING for their own ridiculous claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #1695 September 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Slim King said: Show me........ Sure. Here's a piece from VOX: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/16/20991816/impeachment-trial-trump-bannon-misinformation Sorry about the facts; I know how you hate them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #1696 September 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Slim King said: Constitution of the United States A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. We can own Cannons if we want to. Sorry. Nowhere in that statement is the word "gun." Perhaps try reading it again and see if you can find it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #1697 September 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, billvon said: Sorry. Nowhere in that statement is the word "gun." Perhaps try reading it again and see if you can find it. Well, part of the reason for that is the Battle of Lexington & Concord. The one where Paul Revere supposedly called out the milita by shouting "The British are coming!!!" (the reality is a bit different from the legend, of course). The reason the Brits were going there was to confiscate cannons owned by the local militia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,063 #1698 September 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, Slim King said: Looks like VOX is guilty of calling the US a democracy again ...ROFLMAO... THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT!!!! Thank you for admitting that Trump's plan was to flood the news with lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #1699 September 5, 2022 9 hours ago, Slim King said: Constitution of the United States A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. We can own Cannons if we want to. In most other countries, the term "militia" refers to army reserve. I served in the Canadian Army Reserve, Sherbrooke Hussars, Sector Est Milice, Mobile Command, etc. and we reported all the way up the chain of command to the Queen of Canada. Canadian Army Reservists wear the same uniforms, fire the same weapons, follow the same Queen's Rules and Regulations, etc. as regular army soldiers. When a regular army regiment is assigned an overseas task (e.g. United Nations peacekeeping) they often take along 40 percent reservists to top off the ranks, because few regiments are at full-strength during peacetime. I guess that the word "milice" makes more sense in French. Trivia question: What do you call a North American who speaks English and French? What do you call a North American who speaks English and Spanish? What do you call a North American who only speaks English? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,558 #1700 September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Slim King said: “Flood the zone with $H/t”: How misinformation overwhelmed our democracy Looks like VOX is guilty of calling the US a democracy again ...ROFLMAO... THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT!!!! They're saying the US has democracy, which is entirely and completely 100% accurate. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites