More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[timski 80]

9 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Can you think f anything that would be more effective in prevention?

Wendy P. 

NOW this is the NEW hot topic. Because one can not simply "control" guns in a country FILLED with millions of them already in circulation. Why is this so easy for me to see? Yeah, guns make committing murder easy. This isn't a gun problem, it's a people problem... When we all shift our focus on what CAN be done, we'll all see less of this shit. 

People control people. Putting the right people in the right places will go far as a deterrent. There are technologies in NON lethal "weapons" that simply aren't used. When "we" start demanding change that actually works, maybe things will change.   

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, wmw999 said:

Can you think f anything that would be more effective in prevention?

Wendy P. 

He can not. He can only rationalize his own addiction to AR style weapons. Without doubt that is founded in his decades of honorable service in the US Army where the magic of the 5.56 cartridge was drilled into his psyche.

[kallend 2,026]

Rep. Andy Ogles (R), congressman for the Nashville district which includes the Covenant School, with his 2022 Christmas card.  Asshole!

[brenthutch 444]

9 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Can you think f anything that would be more effective in prevention?

Wendy P. 

A good psychiatrist 

[piisfish 140]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

A good psychiatrist 

How many good 24/7 psychiatrists do you reckon would be needed ? A good psychiatrist would mean 1. Given the frequency of such occurrence in the US, 1 would probably not be enough. 

[brenthutch 444]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

He can not. He can only rationalize his own addiction to AR style weapons. Without doubt that is founded in his decades of honorable service in the US Army where the magic of the 5.56 cartridge was drilled into his psyche.

That’s funny because a 5.56 was nowhere to be found At the scene.

Edited March 29, 2023 by brenthutch

[Phil1111 1,149]

19 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Merica is free and other western countries are slaves to their governments?

 

19 hours ago, normiss said:

This is a laughable lie.

So today, the same day I posted this: "Tennessee GOP Rep. Tim Burchett told reporters that “laws don’t work” to curb gun violence.

“We want to legislate evil – it’s just not gonna happen,” he said. “If you think Washington is going to fix this problem, you’re wrong. They’re not going to fix this problem. They are the problem.”

Asked by CNN why private citizens need AR-15s, Burchett pointed to self-defense. He also argued that even though other countries don’t observe the United States’ high frequency of shootings, “other countries don’t have our freedom either … And when people abuse that freedom, that’s what happens.”

So yes a sick lie.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

That’s funny because a 5.56 was nowhere to be found At the scene.

Nothing was found at the scene of your psyche? Hmm...

[SkyDekker 1,465]

14 hours ago, brenthutch said:

But the proposed “solutions” would have had little impact on the outcome.

Little impact is still more impact than thoughts & prayers.

Remember you objected to Biden talking about ice cream, while he is trying to at least have a little impact. You don't object to Republicans who only talk about thoughts & prayers and have no impact.

 

[brenthutch 444]

9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Little impact is still more impact than thoughts & prayers.

 

 

How about no impact, and at least thoughts and prayers do not deprive law abiding citizens of their rights.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

How about no impact, and at least thoughts and prayers do not deprive law abiding citizens of their rights.

Not no impact. There was a previous ban, which was apparently constitutional, which did have some effect on mass shootings. Even appears that the ban became more effective as time went on. So history would suggest there would be some impact and certainly more than your thoughts and prayers.

[brenthutch 444]

2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Not no impact. There was a previous ban, which was apparently constitutional, which did have some effect on mass shootings. Even appears that the ban became more effective as time went on. So history would suggest there would be some impact and certainly more than your thoughts and prayers.

Ban AR, replace w 9mm and repeat 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

[billvon 2,990]

2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

"We want to legislate evil – it’s just not gonna happen,” he said. “If you think Washington is going to fix this problem, you’re wrong. They’re not going to fix this problem. They are the problem.”

So the reasons for so many school shootings, according to republicans, is:

-evil
-drag queens
-Biden eating ice cream
-"Washington"
-woke madness
-naked statues

The reason is NOT:

-easy availability of guns

[SkyDekker 1,465]

26 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Ban AR, replace w 9mm and repeat 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting

If you cannot understand the difference between "some impact" and "eliminated all mass shootings" then there really is no sense for you to participate in adult conversations.

 

[brenthutch 444]

You have yet to demonstrate “some impact”

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

You have yet to demonstrate “some impact”

There is significant debate to be found around the impact of the assault weapons ban if you have any interest. But considering your responses here I have absolutely no interest in having any of that debate with you.

The fact remains is that you object to Biden, who at least is trying to do something, and support Republicans who are unwilling to do anything to try and reduce mass shootings.

Personally I don't think a ban is going to be effective, but significant regulation is required.

[gowlerk 2,190]

Victims, remember the victims.

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Victims, remember the victims.

Uvalde, Texas, shooting victims

How can anyone possible remember the tens of thousands of children in America killed by gun violence. Or even 4,500 every year now?

Lets get this thread back on track. 45,000 killed annually and about 10% of those are children.

Nothing can be done to fix the problem. Nobody wants to get serious about it. Rinse and repeat after every death.

[jakee 1,489]

15 hours ago, brenthutch said:

How about no impact, and at least thoughts and prayers do not deprive law abiding citizens of their rights.

“‘No way to prevent this’ says only nation where this keeps happening.”

[kallend 2,026]

10 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

How can anyone possible remember the tens of thousands of children in America killed by gun violence. Or even 4,500 every year now?

Lets get this thread back on track. 45,000 killed annually and about 10% of those are children.

Nothing can be done to fix the problem. Nobody wants to get serious about it. Rinse and repeat after every death.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. 

So it seems the self evident and inalienable rights of these victims are really only subordinate to the 2nd Amendment rights of the gun nuts, and the government chooses not to secure them - in fact it seems deliberately destructive of those ends.  Maybe it's time......

 

Edited March 30, 2023 by kallend

[Phil1111 1,149]

39 minutes ago, kallend said:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. 

So it seems the self evident and inalienable rights of these victims are really only subordinate to the 2nd Amendment rights of the gun nuts, and the government chooses not to secure them - in fact it seems deliberately destructive of those ends.  Maybe it's time......

 

You'd think so.

But from the posts in these forums we all know how the gun nuts think. Guns, specifically AR-15s are necessary to own because Washington doesn't work. Washington is the source of all our problems. Every red-neck American must be armed to the teeth with lots of 5.56 in storage. Because Libs and Washington are the enemy.Every day that message gets delivered to the gun loving base.

The costs of smoking in many countries are pictured on the front of each cigarette package.

Perhaps its time to put the costs of guns on the stocks of guns and boxes of ammunition.

Together with the picture of the child who suffered that injury.

[airdvr 210]

While all of this is great conversation I think right now we need to take action at a local level.  I say we need to make our schools safe by employing armed guards.  It's a sad testament but necessary.  Until enough people can be hired deploy the national guards.

Yes...I'm serious.

[billvon 2,990]

11 minutes ago, airdvr said:

While all of this is great conversation I think right now we need to take action at a local level.  I say we need to make our schools safe by employing armed guards.  It's a sad testament but necessary.  Until enough people can be hired deploy the national guards.

Yes...I'm serious.

That's perfect.  And when one of those underpaid armed guards goes postal and takes out a second grade, we can get national guards to watch the armed guards.  There is no possible downside to this.

[gowlerk 2,190]

5 minutes ago, billvon said:

That's perfect.  And when one of those underpaid armed guards goes postal and takes out a second grade, we can get national guards to watch the armed guards.  There is no possible downside to this.

Hardening the targets will merely cause the shooters to choose softer targets. Or to target the guards as the first victims.

[wmw999 2,444]

21 minutes ago, airdvr said:

While all of this is great conversation I think right now we need to take action at a local level.  I say we need to make our schools safe by employing armed guards.  It's a sad testament but necessary.  Until enough people can be hired deploy the national guards.

Yes...I'm serious.

And how many school districts, that are already often underpaying their teachers and aides, can afford to hire trained guards as well? Which of those districts will happily vote in a tax increase?

Wendy P.