More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[SkyDekker 1,465]

15 hours ago, timski said:

So plain, so clear and yet we simply choose NOT to provide that level of protection... Troubling, isn't it?

Keeping kids out of school during the pandemic is bad for them, but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

[BIGUN 1,314]

23 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

Israel. Doctors in every household.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0119.htm

They're never going to flourish if they're dead.  

[We can't get off our asses enough to write our legislature and the legislature won't get off their asses to write any formative gun bills]

[normiss 800]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

That doesn't contradict what lippy wrote. You can do something legally and still get bankrupted or ruined in court.

I find it quite interesting to see middle aged white men painfully learn how the criminal justice system actually works.

Also a bit saddened that Trump was allowed to avoid some of those experiences/lessons during his arrest and arraignment.

[Stumpy 284]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Israel. Doctors in every household.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0119.htm

They're never going to flourish if they're dead.  

[We can't get off our asses enough to write our legislature and the legislature won't get off their asses to write any formative gun bills]

Feel free to continue to use israel as an example.

Don't forget you also need to implement their level of gun control for the same results.

[BIGUN 1,314]

54 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Don't forget you also need to implement their level of gun control for the same results.

You must be new here. Might want to get to know me a bit.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

The comparison to Israel simply isn't that valid to me. Israel is mired in long term conflict with their neighbours. In the US you are talking about this to protect your kids from yourself. It will not be perceived the same way and will not be accepted the same way.

[Stumpy 284]

55 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You must be new here. Might want to get to know me a bit.

Hardly, been here longer than you have. I know your ideas (and I respect them)

Israel, however, is a shitty example.

[BIGUN 1,314]

17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

In the US you are talking about this to protect your kids from yourself. It will not be perceived the same way and will not be accepted the same way.

If it _stops/minimizes/creates a barrier_ to the school shootings; I really don't care about the perception. Many schools already have metal detectors, some have tall iron fences, especially in inner city schools. Some have their own police departments with roving campus police. The discussion would be about stitching it all together - for all schools. I have a hard time believing that we can be the "world's policeman" but not protect our own kids.    

[BIGUN 1,314]

3 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Israel, however, is a shitty example.

Thank you. Might check my subsequent post and expand further on "shitty example" if I didn't address it. 

[timski 80]

On 4/24/2023 at 11:40 AM, SkyDekker said:

Keeping kids out of school during the pandemic is bad for them, but sending them to armed, gated and fenced education camps is really going to let them flourish......

YES! But comparing the U.S. to Israel is a far fetch. Then again, we have much to learn from such a place! I mean, they took desert and made it flourish. But I digress, who got dead today???   

[gowlerk 2,192]

3 minutes ago, timski said:

they took desert and made it flourish.

The USA has done the same but on a much larger scale.

 

4 minutes ago, timski said:

But I digress, who got dead today???   

Harry Belafonte.

[BIGUN 1,314]

13 minutes ago, timski said:

YES! But comparing the U.S. to Israel is a far fetch. Then again, we have much to learn from such a place!

Much indeed. They haven't had a school shooting since '72 or '74?

[Faicon9493 141]

I was reminded that lawn darts were banned after the deaths of three children. Did the ban happen because it was the right thing to do or did it happen because there was no National Lawn Dart Association with the cash to buy politicians?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

14 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Much indeed. They haven't had a school shooting since '72 or '74?

Do you think having a population that doesn't want to murder their own children might help? I mean why the fixation on Israel when many countries around the globe really haven't had school shootings.

Is it because it is the "solution" that just lets there be more guns?

[BIGUN 1,314]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

Do you think having a population that doesn't want to murder their own children might help? I mean why the fixation on Israel when many countries around the globe really haven't had school shootings.

Is it because it is the "solution" that just lets there be more guns?

You know my position regarding 2A and solutions I've put forth. Given the current climate; I point to Israel as a model for a workaround. 

[Stumpy 284]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

You know my position regarding 2A and solutions I've put forth. Given the current climate; I point to Israel as a model for a workaround. 

And I repeat, you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

[BIGUN 1,314]

53 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

[Stumpy 284]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

Yeah and israels best practice includes low rates of private gun ownership and strict controls on what they are used for, as well as social democratic policies to pay for all the guards, walls etc. You don't have to ship their issues, but you do have to ship the rest of the solution.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Makes no sense. It's called utilizing best practices. You don't have to ship all of the issues that Israel has over here to use those things that work.  

As long as we’re fantasizing, who in rural red state America, where we have a problem with gays, genders, books, liberals and Bud Light but not guns, is going to vote more taxes on themselves to pay for a problem that can be addressed with free hopes and prayers?

[billvon 2,991]

3 hours ago, Stumpy said:

And I repeat, you can't cherry pick part of Israel's solution without everything else as well.

I think in general you can.  I mean, the reason that the US works as well as it does is that we cherrypicked from English society, several treatises on governance, socialism, communism, religion, representative government, pure democracy and the rule of law.

Is the US socialist?  No, but the roads are.
Is the US capitalist?  Usually - but see above.
Is the US a pure democracy?  Usually not, but sometimes.

Etc.

[Stumpy 284]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I think in general you can.

In general, sure. We don't need the daily fear of terrorism or forced conscription of israelis.

In gun control, not so much.

There's a number of other countries that haven't had school shootings in years/ decades. Want to guess what the common factor with israel is? (hint - its not the walls and armed guards.)

[BIGUN 1,314]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

is going to vote more taxes on themselves to pay for a problem that can be addressed with free hopes and prayers?

I don't remember voting to spend 80 Billion in the Ukraine.  

[BIGUN 1,314]

13 hours ago, Stumpy said:

 but you do have to ship the rest of the solution.

Not really. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I don't remember voting to spend 80 Billion in the Ukraine.  

That’s a National level decision, as school funding should be but is not.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Not really. 

I am to where I think we should lock down schools, surround them with high cinder block fences topped with razor wire, put armed guards and metal detectors at every entrance, and strip search every kid on arrival. Let’s make obvious what a damn farce the gun laws and culture are in America. Same at every grocery store, concert, and ball game, and especially so at car tracks. Maybe inconveniencing everyone with disrupted personal freedoms and huge tax bills at the sacrifice or more freedom and valuable services will get the point across.