More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[gowlerk 2,190]

SCOTUS, by the usual 6 to 3 margin overturns the ban on “bump stocks”. They did not even bother to invoke the 2nd amendment. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/14/politics/supreme-court-bump-stocks/index.html

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, gowlerk said:

SCOTUS, by the usual 6 to 3 margin overturns the ban on “bump stocks”. They did not even bother to invoke the 2nd amendment. 
 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/14/politics/supreme-court-bump-stocks/index.html

Nothing less than a packing of the court will work. Power in the hands of religious, partisan, so called conservatives, will be this nations ruin. 

[BIGUN 1,297]

On 6/14/2024 at 12:09 PM, gowlerk said:

SCOTUS, by the usual 6 to 3 margin overturns the ban on “bump stocks”. They did not even bother to invoke the 2nd amendment. 

I don't agree with with the ruling. The reason the Judges didn't invoke the second was because it technically wasn't a gun issue, but a peripheral issue. 

In February 2018, Trump issued a memorandum instructing the Attorney General “to dedicate all available resources to … propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.”

In response to that direction the Department reviewed more than 186,000 public comments and made the decision to make clear that the term “machinegun” as used in the National Firearms Act (NFA), as amended, and Gun Control Act (GCA), as amended, includes all bump-stock-type devices that harness recoil energy to facilitate the continuous operation of a semiautomatic long gun after a single pull of the trigger.

In 1986, the Firearm Owners’ Protections Act amended the NFA definition of “silencer” by adding combinations of parts for silencers and any part intended for use in the assembly or fabrication of a silencer. 

If one manufactures a collar that goes over the selector switch to press down the sear to make a weapon fully automatic, they must hold a manufacturers FFL and have the ATF categorize it within the NFA (Just as with silencers) wherein one can own it, but must go thru a lengthy process to own it about eight months later.  

Peripherals can be not so much banned, but become a controlled item. Someone slipped a gear by not making this that controlled item that requires NFA process.    

[JoeWeber 2,720]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I don't agree with with the ruling. The reason the Judges didn't invoke the second was because it technically wasn't a gun issue, but a peripheral issue. 

In February 2018, Trump issued a memorandum instructing the Attorney General “to dedicate all available resources to … propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.”

In response to that direction the Department reviewed more than 186,000 public comments and made the decision to make clear that the term “machinegun” as used in the National Firearms Act (NFA), as amended, and Gun Control Act (GCA), as amended, includes all bump-stock-type devices that harness recoil energy to facilitate the continuous operation of a semiautomatic long gun after a single pull of the trigger.

In 1986, the Firearm Owners’ Protections Act amended the NFA definition of “silencer” by adding combinations of parts for silencers and any part intended for use in the assembly or fabrication of a silencer. 

If one manufactures a collar that goes over the selector switch to press down the sear to make a weapon fully automatic, they must hold a manufacturers FFL and have the ATF categorize it within the NFA (Just as with silencers) wherein one can own it, but must go thru a lengthy process to own it about eight months later.  

Peripherals can be not so much banned, but become a controlled item. Someone slipped a gear by not making this that controlled item that requires NFA process.    

There are gears slipping, alright, and it's not just SCOTUS: it is us. We shouldn't need them to tell us that bump stocks, silencers, automatic weapons of any type, etc. etc. etc., aren't necessary to living a happy fulfilled life any more than we should need a church to teach us right from wrong or what is moral or not. We are a sick, selfish, society unable by all evidence to collectively do the right things for the right reasons: cue up the original sin crowd and fire up the band. Hopefully in the future, when our fossilized remains are being studied, they won't be laughing too hard.

[kallend 2,026]

55 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

There are gears slipping, alright, and it's not just SCOTUS: it is us. We shouldn't need them to tell us that bump stocks, silencers, automatic weapons of any type, etc. etc. etc., aren't necessary to living a happy fulfilled life any more than we should need a church to teach us right from wrong or what is moral or not. We are a sick, selfish, society unable by all evidence to collectively do the right things for the right reasons: cue up the original sin crowd and fire up the band. Hopefully in the future, when our fossilized remains are being studied, they won't be laughing too hard.

What do you expect when Republicans and their warped cult leader celebrate cruelty, vindictiveness and lust for power above common decency and justice, with strong support from the religious right.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, kallend said:

What do you expect when Republicans and their warped cult leader celebrate cruelty, vindictiveness and lust for power above common decency and justice, with strong support from the religious right.

First the glands, then the drooling. Step back a planet or two for a better view and we won't seem any different.

[BIGUN 1,297]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

There are gears slipping, alright, and it's not just SCOTUS: it is us.

You're not wrong, Joe. 

[gowlerk 2,190]

Some fresh summer victims.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/16/us/police-investigation-shooting-saturday-michigan-nine-injured/index.html

[SkyDekker 1,465]

23 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

There are gears slipping, alright, and it's not just SCOTUS: it is us. We shouldn't need them to tell us that bump stocks, silencers, automatic weapons of any type, etc. etc. etc., aren't necessary to living a happy fulfilled life any more than we should need a church to teach us right from wrong or what is moral or not. We are a sick, selfish, society unable by all evidence to collectively do the right things for the right reasons: cue up the original sin crowd and fire up the band. Hopefully in the future, when our fossilized remains are being studied, they won't be laughing too hard.

Would be helpful if your congress was functioning and would just introduce legislation banning bump stocks.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

Would be helpful if your congress was functioning and would just introduce legislation banning bump stocks.

But it’s not functioning and by all evidence wasn’t designed to do so. It can’t be blamed on the Republicans, either. The chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee is a Democrat with a democratic majority who cowers in his corner like a whipped dog lest he offend tradition and an obviously radicalized Supreme Court. The only thing exceptional about America is our inability to reach down and pull our pants up from our ankles. What a shit show.

[BIGUN 1,297]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Would be helpful if your congress was functioning and would just introduce legislation banning bump stocks.

I'm still not sure how it wasn't classified under the NFA. And to your point, Congress could easily do this. 

The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845#:~:text=The term “machinegun” means any,single function of the trigger.

[winsor 236]

On 6/17/2024 at 3:22 PM, BIGUN said:

I'm still not sure how it wasn't classified under the NFA.

A bump stock facilitates rapid repeated pulling of the trigger if that is the goal, but it still requires one pull of the trigger per shot.

It has all the disadvantages of full auto - poor controllability, wasted ammo and so forth - but does not meet the very specific criteria set forth in the NFA.

For most shooters it's a novelty that isn't worth the trouble, and few ranges allows their use.  The bulk of the sales were mainly to spite hoplophobes.

[gowlerk 2,190]

33 minutes ago, winsor said:

For most shooters it's a novelty that isn't worth the trouble, and few ranges allows their use.  The bulk of the sales were mainly to spite hoplophobes.

Well....that and the Vegas mass murderer.

[billvon 2,989]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Well....that and the Vegas mass murderer.

Has Alex Jones explained that all those "murders" were crisis actors yet?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, winsor said:

A bump stock facilitates rapid repeated pulling of the trigger if that is the goal, but it still requires one pull of the trigger per shot.

It has all the disadvantages of full auto - poor controllability, wasted ammo and so forth - but does not meet the very specific criteria set forth in the NFA.

For most shooters it's a novelty that isn't worth the trouble, and few ranges allows their use.  The bulk of the sales were mainly to spite hoplophobes.

You are sort of right, I guess . Mass murdering dozens of innocents with a super rapid fire rifle that actually isn’t a machine gun will create a certain amount of irrationality. And for the right wing record that’s no different than some pathetic, irrational , snowflake of a hoplophobe looking at a picture of a gun and running away screaming.

[normiss 798]

14 minutes ago, billvon said:

Has Alex Jones explained that all those "murders" were crisis actors yet?

I think he's busy crying over having to liquidate ALL of his assets.

Poor little guy.

[BIGUN 1,297]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

A bump stock facilitates rapid repeated pulling of the trigger if that is the goal, but it still requires one pull of the trigger per shot.

That is the technicality by which the ATF lost the case. SCOTUS followed the letter of the law. Congress could change the law to include cyclic rate. M16: 700-800 rds/minute. Bump Stock on an AR-15: 300-800 rds/minute.  And, we're discussing how many pulls, or how a trigger is pulled versus . . . Well, not classifying all weapons under NFA.  

Congress could do that. But, they don't/won't. No matter whom controls the house. Why is that? </rhetorical question>    

[BIGUN 1,297]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

hoplophobe

If one does not have a certain level of hoplophobia - they're the ones to be afraid of. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, BIGUN said:

If one does not have a certain level of hoplophobia - they're the ones to be afraid of. 

It's like the perfect word, too. Doesn't at all sound like another thing the moronic masses can blame gays for.

[normiss 798]

13 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

It's like the perfect word, too. Doesn't at all sound like another thing the moronic masses can blame gays for.

I love perfect words. So far, my all time favorite is callipygous.

[gowlerk 2,190]

6 minutes ago, normiss said:

I love perfect words. So far, my all time favorite is callipygous.

I've always been fond of the slightly more common diaphanous.

[winsor 236]

9 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Well....that and the Vegas mass murderer.

Who had an airplane 30 seconds flying time from the crowd.  I'm sure you'd call for banning personal aircraft if he'd opted to hit the crowd at 200 knots loaded with avgas.

Edited June 20, 2024 by winsor
Otto correct

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, winsor said:

Who had an airplane 30 seconds flying time from the crowd.  I'm sure you'd call for banning personal aircraft if he'd opted to hit the crowd at 200 knots loaded with avgas.

Was it a concealed aircraft?

[gowlerk 2,190]

36 minutes ago, winsor said:

Who had an airplane 30 seconds flying time from the crowd.  I'm sure you'd call for banning personal aircraft if he'd opted to hit the crowd at 200 knots loaded with avgas.

If he did the death toll may well have been lower.

[billvon 2,989]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Who had an airplane 30 seconds flying time from the crowd.  I'm sure you'd call for banning personal aircraft if he'd opted to hit the crowd at 200 knots loaded with avgas.

If hundreds of pilots intentionally hit thousands of crowds a year with personal aircraft, killing tens of thousands of people - yes, there might be more restrictions on them.  You might even have to get a license to fly an aircraft!  You might have to REGISTER your aircraft with the GOVERNMENT!  If things got bad enough you might even have to take a PHYSICAL to prove you were physically and mentally capable of flying an aircraft!  Why, Gestapo government agents might even occasionally check your aircraft while it's sitting there on the ramp minding its own business!

And if you did kill a few people in a crowd - purely accidentally of course - they might even take away your license and prohibit you from flying.

Fortunately we are far from that woke, dystopian future.  They'd never do that for airplanes - or guns.