More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Robbery with a toy or imitation gun, ro an unloaded gun is still a felony. It carries the same penalties as a conviction for robbery with an actual deadly weapon. It also carries with it the same perception of threat. One can defend themselves if that threat is real even if the gun is not (no one knew the gun was fake).

The main mistake here was him leaving the scene which he'll probably get charged for, but the rest will be justifible homicide. 

Personally, you know my position on gun control. Until the legislature of both sides changes sumpin; it's not going to change.     

There is legality and there is practicality. Nobody is arguing the robber didn't commit a crime. That shooting might be perfectly legal. I can also argue it was not necessary, considering the robber appeared to have turned and be on his way out. What I do know, as that in all likelihood the rest of the lives of the surviving people in this scenario will be worse off than if the robber had not been shot.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

50 minutes ago, normiss said:

Even Jebus won't protect American kids in HIS schools.

We're quite fucked in that regard.

Americans are insanely violent. 

Maybe, just maybe having firearms so easily available isn't a positive.

[kallend 2,026]

The was the 83rd school shooting across the United States this year – surpassing 2023 for the most school shootings in a single year since  tracking such incidents began in 2008.

[kallend 2,026]

6 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Why would you make that particular comparison?

 

Why would you compare a school shooting to an armed robbery?

 

If your lame argument were valid the US would have a far lower violent crime rate than all of western Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.  It doesn't.

[turtlespeed 220]

6 minutes ago, kallend said:

Why would you compare a school shooting to an armed robbery?

 

If your lame argument were valid the US would have a far lower violent crime rate than all of western Europe, Canada, Australia, NZ, etc.  It doesn't.

That's culture.

Here is how to make sure you end up alive.

Edited December 18, 2024 by turtlespeed

[SkyDekker 1,465]

44 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Here is how to make sure you end up alive.

Classes should be in gas stations?

[kallend 2,026]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Classes should be in gas stations?

Well, gas stations are the center of American culture, apparently.

His lame claim that Americans are just a whole lot nastier than other nationalities doesn't explain why his hero wants to exclude immigrants.  Following his logic it will just make the USA even worse.

[kallend 2,026]

There were 471 justifiable homicides by civilian gun owners in the USA in 2023, the last year for which data are available.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of the firearm homicides committed by felons with easy access to guns, 13,529 at least (not all jurisdictions supply data, there are certainly more.

 

 

[kallend 2,026]

5 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Maybe, just maybe having firearms so easily available isn't a positive.

The number of Americans each year who kill themseves or family/friends in a firearm accident is pretty much the same as the number of justifiable shootings of felons.

So owning a gun is, on balance, of zero benefit when it comes to self defense. 

Easy access to guns, however, makes it far more likely that a criminal you encounter will shoot you.

Turtle can make all the lame arguments he wants to justify gun ownership, but the data simply don't support his position.

[tkhayes 348]

18 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

This can't be a good look for anti gunners can it?

 

Wow, you found one from years ago? Well that’s statistically relevant.

[turtlespeed 220]

8 hours ago, kallend said:

Well, gas stations are the center of American culture, apparently.

His lame claim that Americans are just a whole lot nastier than other nationalities doesn't explain why his hero wants to exclude immigrants.  Following his logic it will just make the USA even worse.

Who's lame claim?

[turtlespeed 220]

8 hours ago, kallend said:

The number of Americans each year who kill themseves or family/friends in a firearm accident is pretty much the same as the number of justifiable shootings of felons.

So owning a gun is, on balance, of zero benefit when it comes to self defense. 

Easy access to guns, however, makes it far more likely that a criminal you encounter will shoot you.

Turtle can make all the lame arguments he wants to justify gun ownership, but the data simply don't support his position.

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

[kallend 2,026]

The numbers are what they are, and they show your argument to be fallacious.

Edited December 18, 2024 by kallend
Edditted fur Spelin'

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

Trying to make out that fear of being shot is effective at deterring Americans from committing gun crimes is going to take more than a massage. 

[BIGUN 1,305]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

True. But all outcomes have to start with raw data. 

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Personally, I would like to go back to a time when not everyone could have a gun in their car or on their hip. 

[tkhayes 348]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

Go ahead, massage some data for us, something to back up your beliefs in the gun culture and how it is making us safer.  My nipples are erect with anticipation.

[BIGUN 1,305]

4 hours ago, tkhayes said:

My nipples are erect with anticipation.

Now, I'm fucking distracted. 

[billvon 2,990]

8 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

Yep.  You can massage data to make it say ANYTHING - like the Earth is round, bacteria and viruses cause most diseases, smoking is not good for you and drunk driving is a bad idea.   All liberal woke ideologies.

But you know better, eh?

[tkhayes 348]

12 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The Data can be massaged and parted out for a specific outcome.

massage this... https://apnews.com/article/utah-family-five-dead-found-home-a94a0d6b50cbe39f9519bf2966093dc8?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2Y7_Fsn4Khe94Kx5Mj7dq4cXM29OcbKago5tdwVI1PWDU3hRC-kqIeoDs_aem_2SH56e1TBIq_4138K8ar3w

yet another one. 

[kallend 2,026]

2 hours ago, tkhayes said:

massage this... https://apnews.com/article/utah-family-five-dead-found-home-a94a0d6b50cbe39f9519bf2966093dc8?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2Y7_Fsn4Khe94Kx5Mj7dq4cXM29OcbKago5tdwVI1PWDU3hRC-kqIeoDs_aem_2SH56e1TBIq_4138K8ar3w

yet another one. 

It's just culture.  Nothing to do with the availability of guns.  Turtle knows this to be true.

[billvon 2,990]

3 hours ago, tkhayes said:

massage this...

"Has nothing to do with guns!  You know, he could have killed them with a spoon.  What, do you want to outlaw SPOONS now?"

[kallend 2,026]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

"Has nothing to do with guns!  You know, he could have killed them with a spoon.  What, do you want to outlaw SPOONS now?"

I'm in favor of outlawing fully automatic spoons and those that look like assault spoons.  No civilian needs an assault spoon.

[jakee 1,489]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

"Has nothing to do with guns!  You know, he could have killed them with a spoon.  What, do you want to outlaw SPOONS now?"

A bad guy with a spoon can be stopped by a good guy with a spoon. Funnily enough there were plenty of spoons in that diner and they were no deterrent at all.

[turtlespeed 220]

On 12/18/2024 at 8:49 AM, tkhayes said:

Go ahead, massage some data for us, something to back up your beliefs in the gun culture and how it is making us safer.  My nipples are erect with anticipation.

Sure - 

Take out the 5 most violent cities (All democrat run) and put them in their own category.

THEN do an average.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

A bad guy with a spoon can be stopped by a good guy with a spoon. Funnily enough there were plenty of spoons in that diner and they were no deterrent at all.

Eyeroll -  if guns, themselves, kill people, then pencils make their own mistakes.