More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

2 minutes ago, kallend said:

You have suggested nothing in the way of concrete suggestions.  All you care about is your access to your toys, despite everything you've written.

Hi John,

And then there is this:  "Are you even a U.S. citizen? This is Trump's America now! I'm a Marine and I took an oath to protect this country from people like you!"

Colorado man facing bias-motivated charges after attacking TV reporter

They are coming out of the woodwork; been doing so since 2016.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

2 minutes ago, Hissone said:

What is your point? 

Hi H,

Are you saying that you do not understand his point?

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,026]

3 minutes ago, Hissone said:

What is your point? 

Same as yours in telling us over and over and over about your time as a cop.

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

5 minutes ago, kallend said:

Same as yours in telling us over and over and over about your time as a cop.

Hi John,

My son has been an attorney for 20 yrs now.  The first 4 yrs of his career, he was a prosecutor.  He worked with a lot of cops.

He has often told me about cops and their attitudes.  You get one or two alone, to talk to and they are OK.  You get 3 or more, and you have entered a different world.

Yet, none of them see a problem.

Sorta like the MAGA-idiots.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

15 minutes ago, Hissone said:

Your contempt was very clear for new people in this sport. One jump wonders was the term i believe. 
  This is a discussion about the 2nd amendment which is guns and you seem to have a problem with my opinion because it is different from yours, i'm new to the site, and new people to this sport are beneath you. 

  I never brought up anything about stingers and fighter jets to protect ourselves. 

Im so shocked even though you insulted my response to dealing with armed drivers you have no suggesting on how to handle that type of stop. Is that a lefty prerequisite? To criticize something you know nothing about then hide and don’t answer a question when confronted? 

As a one jump wonder you are forgiven for being ignorant of skydiving terminology. And you are shocked? Please don’t be, instead please know that cops making jokes with a traffic stop driver about not pulling his gun is flat detestable,  outside of your corner of west world that is. 

[jaybird18c 22]

47 minutes ago, kallend said:

I was a cop from 1968 to 1977.  So just fuck off with your insults.

They obviously ran your sorry ass off.

[jaybird18c 22]

3 hours ago, Hissone said:

Thank you my friend. I have family members like him.  Like i said they are adorable. Guns bad!!! Oh please help me call a guy with a gun.  

  So what’s going on with the web site? It’s getting shut down?

They get a quorum of liberal assholes together and gang up with the insults. It’s their MO. It’s got little to do with what’s being discussed. Don’t let it bother you. They’re like a bunch of chicken shit in the rain.

[Hissone 6]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

I was a cop from 1968 to 1977.  So just fuck off with your insults.

Wait you were a police officer and you refer to guns as toys? That is insanity to me.  The reason i brought up my profession  is due to the subject matter.  If you look at the subject it’s about the 2nd amendment which is guns. I have bought and sold guns for decades. I have investigated countless gun crimes ranging from murder to carrying unlawfully. I have arrested people for gun crimes from Hells Angels to white collar people.  I have seen how guns are smuggled, traded and used in almost any capacity. SWAT team operator, competitive shooter. I know this isn’t really a very impressive part of my resume but i think it gives me a more clear understanding of guns than most. 

[Hissone 6]

45 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

As a one jump wonder you are forgiven for being ignorant of skydiving terminology. And you are shocked? Please don’t be, instead please know that cops making jokes with a traffic stop driver about not pulling his gun is flat detestable,  outside of your corner of west world that is. 

Again how should it be done? How would you speak to a nervous driver who is anxiously telling you they have a gun? I have found humor as a good distraction.  The overwhelming majority of stops with people carrying guns the person is legal to have the gun.  Unfortunately a good portion of the people i have encountered want to remove the gun and give it to me for some reason.  That is a horrible idea.  That’s why i tell them just keep yours where ever it is and i will also. Meaning if they put their hand anywhere close to a gun they will see mine quickly. I have also been shot at during a traffic stop.  

[JoeWeber 2,720]

7 minutes ago, Hissone said:

Again how should it be done? How would you speak to a nervous driver who is anxiously telling you they have a gun? I have found humor as a good distraction.  The overwhelming majority of stops with people carrying guns the person is legal to have the gun.  Unfortunately a good portion of the people i have encountered want to remove the gun and give it to me for some reason.  That is a horrible idea.  That’s why i tell them just keep yours where ever it is and i will also. Meaning if they put their hand anywhere close to a gun they will see mine quickly. I have also been shot at during a traffic stop.  

Less guns. No concealed carry. Car guns in the trunk. The elimination of cops who think gun jokes with their employers are funny and who want everyone to have all of the guns they want in the glove box, under the seat and between their legs.

[jaybird18c 22]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Less guns. No concealed carry. Car guns in the trunk. The elimination of cops who think gun jokes with their employers are funny and who want everyone to have all of the guns they want in the glove box, under the seat and between their legs.

How are you going to get the criminals to follow these rules?

[Hissone 6]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

They get a quorum of liberal assholes together and gang up with the insults. It’s their MO. It’s got little to do with what’s being discussed. Don’t let it bother you. They’re like a bunch of chicken shit in the rain.

Oh no worries people like them seem to look down on anyone with a difference of opinion.  It’s crazy to me. I enjoy discussing topics with people with difference of opinions.  It was a shock that some of them actually look down at people who are new to skydiving.  I trained BJJ for years and when a new guy came in we couldn’t wait to get to know them and start training and watching them get better no matter if we had political differences  Joe Webber specifically seems to have contempt for new skydivers who have a different opinion than them.  It doesn't bother me at all. I’m just glad the instructors at the jump zone i go to seem nothing like the guys hurling insults at me on this forum.

[Hissone 6]

10 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Less guns. No concealed carry. Car guns in the trunk. The elimination of cops who think gun jokes with their employers are funny and who want everyone to have all of the guns they want in the glove box, under the seat and between their legs.

Ok less guns how? Gun confiscation? No concealed carry? Why? Do you have the statistic on how many legally carrying concealed carry gun owners commit crimes with those guns? Again you have no answer for how you would handle a traffic stop with an armed person?  

[normiss 798]

4 hours ago, Hissone said:

Do i think this is acceptable? No murder is not acceptable. I think arresting, prosecuting and keeping incarcerated people who commit violent crimes is a good start. 

You also seem to feel the need to carry military grade assault weapons.

Paranoid much?

[jaybird18c 22]

4 minutes ago, normiss said:

You also seem to feel the need to carry military grade assault weapons.

Paranoid much?

What makes it “military grade” normiss?

[normiss 798]

3 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

What makes it “military grade” normiss?

Maybe you should ask ArmaLite about their military grade weapons production?

[jaybird18c 22]

6 minutes ago, normiss said:

Maybe you should ask ArmaLite about their military grade weapons production?

I’m asking you.

[Hissone 6]

41 minutes ago, normiss said:

You also seem to feel the need to carry military grade assault weapons.

Paranoid much?

Oh no i have an ALICE pack in my basement and it’s gasp military grade. I have a KABAR knife and CLP for my gun cleaning it’s all military grade i’m doomed. 

[kallend 2,026]

5 hours ago, Hissone said:

Do i think this is acceptable? No murder is not acceptable. I think arresting, prosecuting and keeping incarcerated people who commit violent crimes is a good start. 

 

2 hours ago, kallend said:

We already do that.  We have a greater % of our population incarcerated than any other nation.  Clearly that does not work.

Try again.

The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, 716 per 100,000 of the national population, followed by St Kitts & Nevis (714), Seychelles (709), U.S. Virgin Is. (539), Barbados (521), Cuba (510), Rwanda (492), Anguilla – U.K. (487), Belize (476), Russian Federation (475), British Virgin Is. (460) and Sint Maarten – Netherlands (458). However, more than half of countries and territories (54%) have rates below 150 per 100,000.

Further to this, not only is the USA an international  outlier with respect to gun crime and an outlier with respect to incarceration, but even between states it is clear that higher incarceration rates do NOT lead to less gun crime.

 

SO how about you give us a serious suggestion for reducing gun violence instad of one that's proven not to work.

 

[wmw999 2,439]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

How are you going to get the criminals to follow these rules?

Probably the same way that we get criminals to follow the rules about drunk driving. And murder. And speeding. And robbery.

Wendy P.

[Hissone 6]

21 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Probably the same way that we get criminals to follow the rules about drunk driving. And murder. And speeding. And robbery.

Wendy P.

You don’t believe people drive drunk, speed, rob and kill people because it’s against the law? I assure you they do daily.

 

28 minutes ago, kallend said:

 

Further to this, not only is the USA an international  outlier with respect to gun crime and an outlier with respect to incarceration, but even between states it is clear that higher incarceration rates do NOT lead to less gun crime.

 

SO how about you give us a serious suggestion for reducing gun violence instad of one that's proven not to work.

 

Again by keeping violent criminals in jail or executing them ( i’m talking about convicted murderers) The recidivism rate in the US is insane.  In just the county i live you should see all the violent criminals released early.  I don’t see your graph addressing that or did i not look hard enough. 

[wmw999 2,439]

8 minutes ago, Hissone said:

Again by keeping violent criminals in jail or executing them ( i’m talking about convicted murderers)

How do the states with the lowest incarceration rates do it? I live in one, and frankly Boston and NYC both count as significant cities. We're a lot more proactive about finding opportunities for the offenders who are going to be getting out, and a lot more proactive about trying to divert in the first place.

Because it's cheaper to prevent than it is to fix.

Wendy P.

[Hissone 6]

20 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

How do the states with the lowest incarceration rates do it? I live in one, and frankly Boston and NYC both count as significant cities. We're a lot more proactive about finding opportunities for the offenders who are going to be getting out, and a lot more proactive about trying to divert in the first place.

Because it's cheaper to prevent than it is to fix.

Wendy P.

Oh i have no idea. Social program for inmates is not my wheelhouse. Response to active shooters, defensive tactics, weapons retention, safe and legal traffic stops, competitive shooting, firearms instructor are my area of knowledge.  What you are saying sounds great. 

[kallend 2,026]

10 minutes ago, Hissone said:

Oh i have no idea. Social program for inmates is not my wheelhouse. Response to active shooters, defensive tactics, weapons retention, safe and legal traffic stops, competitive shooting, firearms instructor are my area of knowledge.  What you are saying sounds great. 

Data analysis is not your thing either, nor is critical thinking.

You ignore all the data that disagrees with your need to have killer toys; when challenged you only come up with a single suggestion, and that's one that's been proven not to work.  You ignore all suggestions that are known to work from comparitive analysis between nations and from comparison between states in the USA.

You are a hypocrite and a troll and not worth further engagement.

[Hissone 6]

55 minutes ago, kallend said:

Data analysis is not your thing either, nor is critical thinking.

You ignore all the data that disagrees with your need to have killer toys; when challenged you only come up with a single suggestion, and that's one that's been proven not to work.  You ignore all suggestions that are known to work from comparitive analysis between nations and from comparison between states in the USA.

You are a hypocrite and a troll and not worth further engagement.

Thats so cute. You call me a hypocrite yet you would be the first to call someone with the guns you seem to detest so much to protect you if you were ever attacked. Then in complete form you would obviously tell them they did everything wrong.  You and some of the other on this thread should really audition for the View you seem to be very similar to them. 

In almost every horrible killing that you read about the person has been arrest and let out of their cage multiple times for violent offenses until they finally kill someone. I simply want someone to have the ability to protect themself from someone that i just described. To you and some others on this thread seem to think that means  i want stinger missiles and fighter jets.  I wonder if you ever responded to these types of incidents or had to make death notifications if your opinion would change.