More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

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14 hours ago, kallend said:

Further to this, not only is the USA an international  outlier with respect to gun crime and an outlier with respect to incarceration, but even between states it is clear that higher incarceration rates do NOT lead to less gun crime.

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/prison-and-crime-much-more-than-you

TL;DR As a deterrent no.  As incapacitation, some times.  Hiring more police is more effective use of tax payer money.

[normiss 798]

17 hours ago, Hissone said:

Thats so cute. You call me a hypocrite yet you would be the first to call someone with the guns you seem to detest so much to protect you if you were ever attacked. Then in complete form you would obviously tell them they did everything wrong.  You and some of the other on this thread should really audition for the View you seem to be very similar to them. 

In almost every horrible killing that you read about the person has been arrest and let out of their cage multiple times for violent offenses until they finally kill someone. I simply want someone to have the ability to protect themself from someone that i just described. To you and some others on this thread seem to think that means  i want stinger missiles and fighter jets.  I wonder if you ever responded to these types of incidents or had to make death notifications if your opinion would change.

When everything is a nail ...

[nigel99 466]

13 hours ago, base698 said:

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/prison-and-crime-much-more-than-you

TL;DR As a deterrent no.  As incapacitation, some times.  Hiring more police is more effective use of tax payer money.

What’s with you and Bigun being rational right leaning people? 

That was an interesting article. It seems the primary reason for prison is to make Joe Public feel good, rather than solving a problem 

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11 hours ago, nigel99 said:

What’s with you and Bigun being rational right leaning people? 

I still consider myself an independent.  I was anti neocon/establishment when it was a left leaning movement focused on anti corporate and anti war.  I stayed and the left went corporate medicine, corporate media, and corporate everything.

I say that as a corporate whore myself.  I just don't want my employer who already has absolute power to enter my home and state life.

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On 12/28/2024 at 1:27 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi John,

My son has been an attorney for 20 yrs now.  The first 4 yrs of his career, he was a prosecutor.  He worked with a lot of cops.

He has often told me about cops and their attitudes.  You get one or two alone, to talk to and they are OK.  You get 3 or more, and you have entered a different world.

Yet, none of them see a problem.

Sorta like the MAGA-idiots.

Jerry Baumchen

So advocate for defunding them and get rid of them wholesale.

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On 12/28/2024 at 2:14 PM, Hissone said:

Wait you were a police officer and you refer to guns as toys? That is insanity to me.  The reason i brought up my profession  is due to the subject matter.  If you look at the subject it’s about the 2nd amendment which is guns. I have bought and sold guns for decades. I have investigated countless gun crimes ranging from murder to carrying unlawfully. I have arrested people for gun crimes from Hells Angels to white collar people.  I have seen how guns are smuggled, traded and used in almost any capacity. SWAT team operator, competitive shooter. I know this isn’t really a very impressive part of my resume but i think it gives me a more clear understanding of guns than most. 

They didn't allow him to have one.  

That's why he's so testy about it.

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On 12/28/2024 at 2:35 PM, JoeWeber said:

Less guns. No concealed carry. Car guns in the trunk. The elimination of cops who think gun jokes with their employers are funny and who want everyone to have all of the guns they want in the glove box, under the seat and between their legs.

Its called dark humor.

Its a lot like food in 3rd world countries.  I guess some people just don't get it.

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On 12/28/2024 at 3:56 PM, kallend said:

 

Further to this, not only is the USA an international  outlier with respect to gun crime and an outlier with respect to incarceration, but even between states it is clear that higher incarceration rates do NOT lead to less gun crime.

 

SO how about you give us a serious suggestion for reducing gun violence instad of one that's proven not to work.

 

Obviously, then, it is more gun laws!

[turtlespeed 219]

On 12/28/2024 at 6:22 PM, Hissone said:

Thats so cute. You call me a hypocrite yet you would be the first to call someone with the guns you seem to detest so much to protect you if you were ever attacked. Then in complete form you would obviously tell them they did everything wrong.  You and some of the other on this thread should really audition for the View you seem to be very similar to them. 

In almost every horrible killing that you read about the person has been arrest and let out of their cage multiple times for violent offenses until they finally kill someone. I simply want someone to have the ability to protect themself from someone that i just described. To you and some others on this thread seem to think that means  i want stinger missiles and fighter jets.  I wonder if you ever responded to these types of incidents or had to make death notifications if your opinion would change.

Yes.  There is a saying that in a fox hole there are no athiests.

I'm positive he would not change his mind, even though he were to be saved in a manner using violence and hand guns.  I believe he would rater die to prove his hatred of firearms.

[normiss 798]

45 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Yes.  There is a saying that in a fox hole there are no athiests.

I'm positive he would not change his mind, even though he were to be saved in a manner using violence and hand guns.  I believe he would rater die to prove his hatred of firearms.

Not a Veteran, eh?

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1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Obviously, then, it is more gun laws!

That may be your interpretation.  However, those capable of critical thinking want BETTER gun laws.  We already have too many.

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24 minutes ago, normiss said:

Not a Veteran, eh?

Are you asking, or is the "eh" a Canadian "eh" where the answer is already known, and you are just agreeing with yourself?

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5 minutes ago, kallend said:

That may be your interpretation.  However, those capable of critical thinking want BETTER gun laws.  We already have too many.

I was being facetious.

[normiss 798]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you asking, or is the "eh" a Canadian "eh" where the answer is already known, and you are just agreeing with yourself?

The oldest Oxford English Dictionary defines eh as an "interjectional interrogative particle often inviting assent to the sentiment expressed. Today, while eh has many different uses, it is most popularly used in a manner similar in meaning to "Excuse me?", "Please repeat that", "Huh?", or to otherwise mark a question.

Impossible to have a discussion with you, but I knew that, eh?

 

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5 minutes ago, normiss said:

The oldest Oxford English Dictionary defines eh as an "interjectional interrogative particle often inviting assent to the sentiment expressed. Today, while eh has many different uses, it is most popularly used in a manner similar in meaning to "Excuse me?", "Please repeat that", "Huh?", or to otherwise mark a question.

Impossible to have a discussion with you, but I knew that, eh?

 

I'm quite aware of the definition. 

Yes, but I dumbed the question down for you.

I asked a simple question about what you meant.

It just requires a simple one or the other answer.  Care to reply to the question with an informative AND relevant answer?

Was what you asked a real question where you actually desired an answer or have you already made up your mind?

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3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I was being facetious.

You were being a troll.

[Hissone 6]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

That may be your interpretation.  However, those capable of critical thinking want BETTER gun laws.  We already have too many.

What gun  laws would you support eliminating?You said there were already too many. I have been called a troll on this thread i assure you i am not. I like conversations about guns and hearing opposing ideas. 

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2 minutes ago, Hissone said:

What gun  laws would you support eliminating?

Personally I would replace the laws on who needs to get a background check with a simple statement - EVERYONE who gets a gun needs one.  Period.  Buying a gun a Big 5?  Background check.  Gun store?  Background check.  Borrow your buddy's gun?  Background check.  Estate sale and you see a cool handgun?  Background check.

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43 minutes ago, kallend said:

You were being a troll.

Faceitiousness is not trolling, or you would be forced to call yourself a troll.

Let's all wait to see if THAT happens.

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11 minutes ago, Hissone said:

What gun  laws would you support eliminating?You said there were already too many. I have been called a troll on this thread i assure you i am not. I like conversations about guns and hearing opposing ideas. 

The United States has more than 20,000 gun laws at the local, state, and federal levels. 

I reckon about 19,900 of them are duplicative, contradictory or just superfluous.  Maybe more.

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8 minutes ago, billvon said:

Personally I would replace the laws on who needs to get a background check with a simple statement - EVERYONE who gets a gun needs one.  Period.  Buying a gun a Big 5?  Background check.  Gun store?  Background check.  Borrow your buddy's gun?  Background check.  Estate sale and you see a cool handgun?  Background check.

How do you implement a Borrowed Gun background check?

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1 minute ago, kallend said:

The United States has more than 20,000 gun laws at the local, state, and federal levels. 

I reckon about 19,900 of them are duplicative, contradictory or just superfluous.  Maybe more.

We agree there.

 

[billvon 2,989]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

How do you implement a Borrowed Gun background check?

?? Simple.

If you lend someone a gun you have to get (and save) the results of the background check.  If you fail to do so, you go to jail.

[normiss 798]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Personally I would replace the laws on who needs to get a background check with a simple statement - EVERYONE who gets a gun needs one.  Period.  Buying a gun a Big 5?  Background check.  Gun store?  Background check.  Borrow your buddy's gun?  Background check.  Estate sale and you see a cool handgun?  Background check.

Every time a gun MOVES, background check.

Dad died and left you his guns? Background check.

[Hissone 6]

3 hours ago, normiss said:

Every time a gun MOVES, background check.

Dad died and left you his guns? Background check.

I’m curious how that would be implemented? Would it be like a phone app? Would there be any exceptions for example a victim of domestic violence? I ask because i have seen this scenario play out first hand.  Maggot wife beater bonds out of jail and immediately calls his battered wife that he is out and going to kill her, the kids and himself. Police cannot find maggot it’s the middle of the night and the victims brother gives her a pistol in case the maggot comes to the house.  How would a background check be secured for that pistol?