More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[JoeWeber 2,800]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Indeed.  We could find the same strength of will - if we wanted to.

Certainly, but unless happily ever after is behind us we're still moving in the wrong direction. I wish it wasn't so as hard as you, I'm just less optimistic perhaps.

[Phil1111 1,149]

17 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I've done 5 four month + travels in Australia back to back looking for a place to live. My sense was they have a different will.

So you're going to abandon America in its time of need? Do you know that Rupert Murdoch treats Australia as a proving ground for FOX news?

Australia has become a dangerously complacent country, dancing to the reactionary tune of the Murdoch press

[JoeWeber 2,800]

12 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

So you're going to abandon America in its time of need? Do you know that Rupert Murdoch treats Australia as a proving ground for FOX news?

Australia has become a dangerously complacent country, dancing to the reactionary tune of the Murdoch press

That was 25 years ago in my time of need.  

[gowlerk 2,241]

22 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

That was 25 years ago in my time of need.  

You will always be welcome in Winnipeg. Even if you don't bring a Caravan with you.

[kallend 2,098]

 

 On Monday afternoon, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers and local officials in Madison and surrounding Dane County urged the public to pray for and comfort the Abundant Life Christian School community.  Thoughts and prayers have done nothing to stop things like this happening.  Better gun laws would do a lot more good.

According to The Washington Post’s tracker, there have been more than 400 school shootings since the Columbine High massacre in 1999 — and more than 383,000 students have experienced their violence.

 

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https://www.wsbtv.com/video/local-video/armed-citizen-stops-robbery-suspect-midtown-chick-fil-a-police-say/8e8877a1-98fc-4919-a391-bc32bbf6727d/

Well that was handy, wasnt it?

[turtlespeed 226]

This can't be a good look for anti gunners can it?

 

[turtlespeed 226]

I agree - the medal was warranted.

 

How come you never post anything like this John Kallend?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1080957606880742

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

This can't be a good look for anti gunners can it?

 

About as good a look as your deaf buddy legal gun owner murdering his entire family.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

About as good a look as your deaf buddy legal gun owner murdering his entire family.

Why would you make that particular comparison?

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

34 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Why would you make that particular comparison?

 

In both cases nobody won and needless death ensued, other lives were changed forever.

I doubt the guy killing a fake gun holding robber in the back is going to feel great about himself.

[jakee 1,554]

17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

In both cases nobody won and needless death ensued, other lives were changed forever.

I doubt the guy killing a fake gun holding robber in the back is going to feel great about himself.

If you think about it, no-one was actually in danger until the good guy started shooting. Turtle - did you go out of your way to try and find the worst possible example to use?

[billvon 3,057]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

I doubt the guy killing a fake gun holding robber in the back is going to feel great about himself.

But think about all the gun nuts who can now have fantasies about being that guy!

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

In both cases nobody won and needless death ensued, other lives were changed forever.

I doubt the guy killing a fake gun holding robber in the back is going to feel great about himself.

They would have been changed no matter what.

The criminal made that decision for everyone.

Why is he not culpable?  Why defend the criminal?

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

If you think about it, no-one was actually in danger until the good guy started shooting. Turtle - did you go out of your way to try and find the worst possible example to use?

Was anyone in any perceived danger?

What do you do if you are in perceived danger.

Lay down and pray?

[jakee 1,554]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Was anyone in any perceived danger?

Sure. But the guy who is a good example for gun ownership is the person who put them in real danger.

[turtlespeed 226]

Just now, jakee said:

Sure. But the guy who is a good example for gun ownership is the person who put them in real danger.

I think you foregot the pertinent question.

What do you do in perceived danger.

If someone has a threat to YOUR life or your kids and wife . . . what do you do?

 

[billvon 3,057]

20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What do you do in perceived danger.

One big one is to make sure your perception is correct.

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If someone has a threat to YOUR life or your kids and wife . . . what do you do?

See above as a starting point.

[jakee 1,554]

28 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I think you foregot the pertinent question.

What do you do in perceived danger.

If someone has a threat to YOUR life or your kids and wife . . . what do you do?

You seem to have forgotten that you posted the story as an incontrovertable example of gun ownership being a good thing. Whether the guy made the right decision with the information he had is irrelevant. I don't know why you think that's what we're talking about. The question is whether the presence of a legal gun owner made the situation better, or if it put everyone present in significantly more danger than they otherwise were.

[BIGUN 1,374]

Robbery with a toy or imitation gun, ro an unloaded gun is still a felony. It carries the same penalties as a conviction for robbery with an actual deadly weapon. It also carries with it the same perception of threat. One can defend themselves if that threat is real even if the gun is not (no one knew the gun was fake).

The main mistake here was him leaving the scene which he'll probably get charged for, but the rest will be justifible homicide. 

Personally, you know my position on gun control. Until the legislature of both sides changes sumpin; it's not going to change.     

[turtlespeed 226]

47 minutes ago, billvon said:

One big one is to make sure your perception is correct.

See above as a starting point.

OK - So in this case what would you have done to ensure the perception is correct?

Are you going to go up and ask him if it's a real gun and loaded?

 

[turtlespeed 226]

38 minutes ago, jakee said:

You seem to have forgotten that you posted the story as an incontrovertable example of gun ownership being a good thing. Whether the guy made the right decision with the information he had is irrelevant. I don't know why you think that's what we're talking about. The question is whether the presence of a legal gun owner made the situation better, or if it put everyone present in significantly more danger than they otherwise were.

I'm satisfied with the turnout as a lesson to others, for one.

The crime he committed was a violent felony. Read what Bigun posted.

Hopefully that guy was able to teach a vast amount of others a very important lesson.

 

[jakee 1,554]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Hopefully that guy was able to teach a vast amount of others a very important lesson.

You think violent criminals in the US don't already know they're in danger of a violent death? You think that just one more example will get the message through and the US will suddenly cease to have such a staggeringly massive rate of gun murders? 

There goes that thing about the right being addicted to simplistic solutions again.

[normiss 840]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

You think violent criminals in the US don't already know they're in danger of a violent death? You think that just one more example will get the message through and the US will suddenly cease to have such a staggeringly massive rate of gun murders? 

There goes that thing about the right being addicted to simplistic solutions again.

Even Jebus won't protect American kids in HIS schools.

We're quite fucked in that regard.

Americans are insanely violent. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

They would have been changed no matter what.

The criminal made that decision for everyone.

Why is he not culpable?  Why defend the criminal?

losing 25 dollars or murdering a man by shooting him in the back will have very different long term consequences. See a man getting shot right beside you can also have very different consequences.

Outside of Internet macho circles of course.

I didn't see he wasn't culpable and I am also not defending the criminal. Under that logic I guess I would be asking you why you support Billy in murdering his family. And then you will talk about his struggles and his likely mental health problems and his poverty.....all without grasping the irony.