More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

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On 8/30/2024 at 1:46 PM, brenthutch said:

MAGAzine? Need I say more?

Ok, Ok, I Capeetalate!   

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13 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Not impossible, but will take time.

Start with requiring training and licenses to own and carry firearms. Enshrine laws around safe storage and enforce them. Increase penalties for those whose guns are used in crimes.

That alone would have a significant positive impact.

Training, I'm good with.  The license, not so much, but worth discussing.

How would you enforce storage laws?

How do you get all the existing owners to comply with training, or are they grandfathered in?

 

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14 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

so you agree the 2nd amendment leads to significantly higher gun crime and homicide rates.

But the benefit is what exactly?

The second amendment doesnt "lead" to anything.

That is the people.

The benefit is long list of things like freedom and liberty and the ability to protect ones self and family.

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14 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Yeah.

He and all the MAGA crowd are cheering on Trumpty Dumpty as he takes away liberty and freedom from everyone else.

They can't conceive that it could happen to THEM. But it will. Despots usually end up fearing everyone.

I think Trumpty Dumpty, along with Elmo and the rest are FAAAAAAAAR more likely to try to take all the guns away than Obama, Biden and Harris put together.
But he won't believe it.

You know what is cute?

That you use familiar tactics to dehumanize people you don't like.

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14 hours ago, gowlerk said:

And the mentality. 

What does it say about you if you arent willing to do violence to protect what's yours?

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13 hours ago, Hissone said:

I have trained with guns extensively for the last 30 years and trained others ( 30 years as a police officer and US Marine before that). SWAT teams CQB, competition shooting, long range shooting, lots of active shooter training. I have no idea what QED is or has to do with shooting or data gathering about shootings.

Its his way of showing how far beneath himself you are.

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7 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

A fantasy laid onto a fantasy. You truly have no depth.

Hmm - Insults instead of content.  Typical.

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30 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

How would you enforce storage laws?

Proof of ownership - if you have one, bring the receipt to the FFL to puchase another gun. If you do not have one; dealers now have an additional revenue stream (We have a dealer here in Oklahoma that offers guns and safes). 

32 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

How do you get all the existing owners to comply with training, or are they grandfathered in?

They are not. But, the local gun club could offer free classes and give them an opportunity to join the club. You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know how to field strip or clean their weapon.  

 

17 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

the ability to protect ones self and family.

Not long ago; one could not have a weapon on their person or in their vehicle. Nothing protects your family like the absence of guns. 

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8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Proof of ownership - if you have one, bring the receipt to the FFL to puchase another gun. If you do not have one; dealers now have an additional revenue stream (We have a dealer here in Oklahoma that offers guns and safes). 

----That seems to be an obstacle people could circumvent so easily as to not be very useful.

They are not. But, the local gun club could offer free classes and give them an opportunity to join the club. You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know how to field strip or clean their weapon.  

----Certificate of training accomplished, I agree with.  How do you get 100 Million people to comply?

Not long ago; one could not have a weapon on their person or in their vehicle. Nothing protects your family like the absence of guns. 

----That wasn't and hasn't been my experience.

 

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42 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What does it say about you if you arent willing to do violence to protect what's yours?

It says that in general people are worth more than stuff. Even my stuff. 

Wendy P.

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13 hours ago, Hissone said:

Ok so the guy who has investigated, arrested and prosecuted  countless gun crimes. Is very familiar with how criminal buy sell and obtain guns and usually from where and obviously very familiar with guns and their functions.  Been through countless classes on mass shootings is the least qualified to have an opinion? 

I wasn't part of your argument, just explaining QED.

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1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

It says that in general people are worth more than stuff. Even my stuff. 

Wendy P.

I guess I just don't understand the mind set of someone that wouldnt defend their family, or themselves.

I wonder if its because they have never had to go through a situation that requires it, injury and/or death would result if they didn't.

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1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Training, I'm good with.  The license, not so much, but worth discussing.

How would you enforce storage laws?

How do you get all the existing owners to comply with training, or are they grandfathered in?

 

All over time, but to enforce it you need to have an understanding of who owns what firearms. Just like one does with cars, or fertilizer.

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20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Proof of ownership - if you have one, bring the receipt to the FFL to puchase another gun. If you do not have one; dealers now have an additional revenue stream (We have a dealer here in Oklahoma that offers guns and safes). 

----That seems to be an obstacle people could circumvent so easily as to not be very useful.

How is that?

20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

They are not. But, the local gun club could offer free classes and give them an opportunity to join the club. You'd be surprised at the number of people that don't know how to field strip or clean their weapon.  

----Certificate of training accomplished, I agree with.  How do you get 100 Million people to comply?

What are your thoughts on how?

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Not long ago; one could not have a weapon on their person or in their vehicle. Nothing protects your family like the absence of guns. 

----That wasn't and hasn't been my experience.

It wasn't your experience that if no one had guns on them or in their vehicle they . . . what? 

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Just now, SkyDekker said:

All over time, but to enforce it you need to have an understanding of who owns what firearms. Just like one does with cars, or fertilizer.

I think you are forgetting that that would take force to make people comply.

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2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

7 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

It says that in general people are worth more than stuff. Even my stuff. 

Wendy P.

I guess I just don't understand the mind set of someone that wouldnt defend their family, or themselves.

She did not say family or self; she said stuff.

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10 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

But SkyDekker knows Latin… He must be very smart…

My high school had mandatory English, Dutch, German, French, Latin, and Greek.

What did yours have? Shop?

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2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

How is that?

----Just about anyone could face a proof of ownership of a gun safe.

What are your thoughts on how?

----I think that it is prudent for new firearm purchases.

----I don't think its feasible in todays society to require retroactive certifications.

It wasn't your experience that if no one had guns on them or in their vehicle they . . . what?

Still have ways to harm you, and your family.

Without being too flippant, the fantasy of NO ONE having a gun is pretty far fetched.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

She did not say family or self; she said stuff.

Where is that stuff usually?  I will defend my home and the family in it.  

Edited December 24, 2024 by turtlespeed

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1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Without being too flippant, the fantasy of NO ONE having a gun is pretty far fetched.

As in military bases?

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5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

My high school had mandatory English, Dutch, German, French, Latin, and Greek.

What did yours have? Shop?

The condescention is not warranted.

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2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

As in military bases?

Armory?

Do you remember a while ago when a terrorist shot people up on a military base?  You know, the workplace violence Obama claimed?

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1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

The condescention is not warranted.

Then improve your education system.

Should be simple, you guys are the best at everything in the world no?

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Just now, SkyDekker said:

Then improve your education system.

Should be simple, you guys are the best at everything in the world no?

No.  Why would you believe that?

And for the record, I would LOVE the education to be better and less institutionalised.  I want higher pay for competent teachers.  I absolutely hate that the department of education dumbs down the curriculum on a regular basis.

Edited December 24, 2024 by turtlespeed

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5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

As in military bases?

Yeah, why aren't soldiers allowed to carry firearms on military bases?

Can't trust trained patriots to carry firearms?