More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[SkyDekker 1,465]

26 minutes ago, Hooknswoop said:

Imagine if someone was proposing the same types of requirements and restrictions on freedom of speech as you describe for vehicle ownership and driving?  It would be a non-starter.

They have. The recognize porn is free speech, yet restrict porn with kids in it. Erotica is free speech, but you can't write about underage children in erotica. So yes, there are restriction in place on free speech, specifically to reduce harm to children. Very few would argue that restrictions on child pornography are a slippery slope.

 

[wmw999 2,517]

43 minutes ago, Hooknswoop said:

Would you be OK with applying those restrictions to the Freedom of Speech?  Of course you wouldn't.

The 2nd Amendment is just as important as the 1st.

That's disingenuous, and you know it. Yes, the second is just as important as the first (by the rule of law). However, they are not identical in any other way.

Wendy P.

[gowlerk 2,246]

1 hour ago, Hooknswoop said:

The 2nd Amendment is just as important as the 1st.

That is absurd. Unless you add the qualifier "to me". Although there is a majority of Americans who feel that way there is a large minority who don't. On the other hand nearly everyone recognizes the importance of the 1st. The 1st an inspiration to the world. The 2nd is something the world either laughs or shakes it's head in disbelief at. And like I said there are many Americans who agree with the rest of the world. One day they will be the majority. That will not on it's own get the 2nd repealed, but likely fear of that happening will lead to a more sensible interpretation of it along with more sensible rules.

[JerryBaumchen 1,426]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

That's disingenuous, and you know it. Yes, the second is just as important as the first (by the rule of law). However, they are not identical in any other way.

Wendy P.

Hi Wendy,

Re:  That's disingenuous, and you know it.

Of course he does know it.  His whole argument is the old 'Hey, look over here,' so as not to actually discuss the issue at hand.

Cowardly IMO.

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 1,149]

Only in Derek's Merica

[BIGUN 1,399]

15 hours ago, kallend said:

Mandatory instruction, written test, practical test with government approved examiner, competency review every other year, medical requirement by govt. approved doctor,  medical,  license and equipment registration posted on publicly available database.  Annual inspection of equipment.  All machines individually registered. 

Well, fuck me. I spent all that time cherry-picking different countries gun legislation for the Gun Proposal when I could have just used the FAA model (SMH).

 

[gowlerk 2,246]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Well, fuck me. I spent all that time cherry-picking different countries gun legislation for the Gun Proposal when I could have just used the FAA model (SMH).

 

A lot of these ideas sound like infringements.

[phantomII 37]

2 dead, 8 wounded in Viginia Beach.
Looks like Americans need to ramp up their thinking and praying business.

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, phantomII said:

2 dead, 8 wounded in Viginia Beach.
Looks like Americans need to ramp up their thinking and praying business.

Its a 1.2 to $4.8 trillion industry in the US already.

The praying business is expensive..    Especially with all the recent mass shootings.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

23 hours ago, gowlerk said:

A lot of these ideas sound like infringements.

How long until the cops defense is that he told the kid to put down the toy and then the little bastard pointed it right at him and smirked. Had to shoot him, no choice really. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Not sure what you mean by 'how long'.

There've been a number of kids shot by cops for holding toy guns.

Some were more 'understandable' than others.

[gowlerk 2,246]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

How long until the cops defense is that he told the kid to put down the toy and then the little bastard pointed it right at him and smirked. Had to shoot him, no choice really. 

 

Cops shot and children shot by trigger happy cops are just collateral damage in the name of the Holy Second. 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Not sure what you mean by 'how long'.

There've been a number of kids shot by cops for holding toy guns.

Some were more 'understandable' than others.

Sure, but did they have it coming?

[BIGUN 1,399]

On 3/27/2021 at 10:09 AM, gowlerk said:

infringements.

“to encroach upon or in a way that violates law or the rights of another”

[gowlerk 2,246]

Shoot first, ask questions later....

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article250142094.html

[gowlerk 2,246]

7 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

“to encroach upon or in a way that violates law or the rights of another”

Which is why your ideas nibbling around the edges of the problem will not get past the Mighty Second.

Edited March 29, 2021 by gowlerk

[BIGUN 1,399]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

"nibbling around the edges"

 My ideas are "nibbling around?" I've brought more independent thought to the solution, than your level of noise to the problem. 

[gowlerk 2,246]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 My ideas are "nibbling around?" I've brought more independent thought to the solution, than your level of noise to the problem. 

Your ideas are good ones. But under the present constitution they could never be implemented. My "noise" is simply that I get directly to the heart of the problem, and it is something that you refuse to accept. Only one western nation has the problems with gun violence that the US has and only the US has the Holy Second. 

[BIGUN 1,399]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

My "noise" is simply that I get directly to the heart of the problem, and it is something that you refuse to accept. Only one western nation has the problems with gun violence that the US has and only the US has the Holy Second. 

You can disagree with the "Holy Second" all you want, but understand it's here to stay and here's the important part; most Americans on both sides of the aisle are grateful for it. And, the Holy 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th . . . Deal with it.     

[gowlerk 2,246]

2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You can disagree with the "Holy Second" all you want, but understand it's here to stay and here's the important part; most Americans on both sides of the aisle are grateful for it. And, the Holy 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th . . . Deal with it.     

There is actually a large minority of Americans in favour of ditching the second. They just don't talk about it because they are working on trying to get some regulations in place and don't want to open up that can of worms. You constitution contains an amending formula and it can and will eventually be used to correct the gross error that is the 2nd. I deal with it just fine. It doesn't have a large effect on my life and although it does occupy some of my thoughts here, in the rest of my life it is a non-issue. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

Just now, BIGUN said:

You can disagree with the "Holy Second" all you want, but understand it's here to stay and here's the important part; most Americans on both sides of the aisle are grateful for it. And, the Holy 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th . . . Deal with it.     

Thats all true but gowlerk  keeps bringing up the concept that "life" and the rights associated with it trumps other freedoms.Likely all other freedoms. I applaud your personal actions in attempting to move the equation to the middle.

The world looks on with amusement on how the GOP fiercely defends the tight to life of the unborn.i.e. abortion. Defends with equal voracity gun rights. Yet the dead from gun misuse have seen few quantifiable protections.

[BIGUN 1,399]

6 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

large minority of Americans in favour of ditching the second.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/589397317/repeal-the-second-amendment-thats-not-so-simple-here-s-what-it-would-take

[gowlerk 2,246]

4 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Thats all true but gowlerk  keeps bringing up the concept that "life" and the rights associated with it trumps other freedoms.

I believe the US has some important paperwork somewhere that refers to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". I don't believe it is subject to amendments.

[BIGUN 1,399]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". I don't believe it is subject to amendments.

But it is - read the NPR article. 

[gowlerk 2,246]

1 minute ago, BIGUN said:

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/589397317/repeal-the-second-amendment-thats-not-so-simple-here-s-what-it-would-take

Yes, I agree that it is not possible in my lifetime. I think that what is likely is that America will become more and more urbanized. And it will become more and more unacceptable to have every second person walking around armed. Because people will be people and some of them will shoot each other. Just like now, but on a larger scale. At some point the need for change will be great enough that some modification or repeal of the second will be have to happen.