More sacrifices to the 2nd Amendment

[billvon 3,063]

Not the US, but yet another pro-gun guy killed by his own gun.

A pro-gun lawyer in Brazil walked into an MRI room with his gun stuck in his waistband.  It was pulled out by the magnet and then shot him fatally in the abdomen as it was departing the vicinity.

Will be hard for pro-gun types to explain how this is an example of "guns don't kill people, people kill people."  Perhaps in this case it's "guns don't kill people, MRI magnets kill people."

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brazil-lawyer-death-mri-gun-b2279514.html#Echobox=1676003789

[BIGUN 1,398]

52 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution.”

FROM THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED: " . . . the seller turned in 60 printed auto sears, small devices that can convert firearms into fully automatic weapons."

You cannot manufacture 60 sears and say they're for personal use. You have to have a license to manufacture those parts.  

[brenthutch 444]

6 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

FROM THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED: " . . . the seller turned in 60 printed auto sears, small devices that can convert firearms into fully automatic weapons."

You cannot manufacture 60 sears and say they're for personal use. You have to have a license to manufacture those parts.  

He did and walked away with $21k

[BIGUN 1,398]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

He did and walked away with $21k

For now, Brent. For now. That was city. The federal government is about to land on his chest with both feet. Please stay tuned to the Guardian as this story is updated. Shit. 

[brenthutch 444]

3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

For now, Brent. For now. That was city. The federal government is about to land on his chest with both feet. Please stay tuned to the Guardian as this story is updated. Shit. 

He EXPLICITLY printed those parts for personal use (to cash in on the ill conceived gun buyback program) good luck providing beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

22 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

He EXPLICITLY printed those parts for personal use (to cash in on the ill conceived gun buyback program) good luck providing beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. 

BIGUN is right. Judges are not stupid.

Minneapolis Man Charged with Using 3D Printers to Manufacture Machineguns

"MINNEAPOLIS – A Minneapolis man has been charged in a federal criminal complaint for possessing auto sears and using 3D printers to manufacture auto sears out of his Minneapolis residence, announced U.S. Attorney Andrew M. Luger.

According to court documents, on August 31, 2022, law enforcement conducted a controlled delivery of a package containing 30 firearm parts to Aaron Malik Cato, 25, at his Minneapolis residence. The package, which had been shipped from Taiwan and intercepted by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents, contained enough parts to create 10 auto sears, a device that turns a semi-automatic firearm into a fully automatic firearm and is considered a machinegun under federal law. Upon searching Cato’s home, pursuant to a warrant, law enforcement recovered seven firearms, including five handguns and two AR platform firearms. Three of the handguns were equipped with auto sears and appeared to be Privately Made Firearms (PMF’s), or ghost guns. Law enforcement also found inside Cato’s residence four 3D printers and multiple 3D printed auto sears." Sept. of last year.

[jakee 1,558]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

No.  Just as police do not take up such a huge proportion of public funds that there is nothing left for EMT's or hospitals.

No, but they do take up such a huge proprtion of public funds there is nothing left to prevent the kind of mental health crises (along with a lot of other things like homelessness in general) they spend an immense amount of time and money responding to. 

 

This is not a novel concept, right Bill? I haven't just flown down from Mars and pointed this out for the first time, have I? A little bit of good faith in your responses would be appreciated.

[jakee 1,558]

41 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

He EXPLICITLY printed those parts for personal use (to cash in on the ill conceived gun buyback program) good luck providing beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. 

Easy, you literally just said he manufactured them with the intent to distribute them to the government.

[JoeWeber 2,810]

38 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

He EXPLICITLY printed those parts for personal use (to cash in on the ill conceived gun buyback program) good luck providing beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise. 

This is just ridiculous. No way should anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty be defending this guy irrespective of what a lawyer might win in court. We do not need to add private factories printing parts for the "personal" conversion of dozens of weapons to automatic fire added to every other gun rights absurdity this country suffers. Your position is just shameful.

[gowlerk 2,246]

47 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

BIGUN is right. Judges are not stupid.

Minneapolis Man Charged with Using 3D Printers to Manufacture Machineguns

"MINNEAPOLIS – A Minneapolis man has been charged in a federal criminal complaint for possessing auto sears and using 3D printers to manufacture auto sears out of his Minneapolis residence, announced U.S. Attorney Andrew M. Luger.

According to court documents, on August 31, 2022, law enforcement conducted a controlled delivery of a package containing 30 firearm parts to Aaron Malik Cato, 25, at his Minneapolis residence. The package, which had been shipped from Taiwan and intercepted by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents, contained enough parts to create 10 auto sears, a device that turns a semi-automatic firearm into a fully automatic firearm and is considered a machinegun under federal law. Upon searching Cato’s home, pursuant to a warrant, law enforcement recovered seven firearms, including five handguns and two AR platform firearms. Three of the handguns were equipped with auto sears and appeared to be Privately Made Firearms (PMF’s), or ghost guns. Law enforcement also found inside Cato’s residence four 3D printers and multiple 3D printed auto sears." Sept. of last year.

That story only talks about charges. No judges, no judgements, and no convictions. 

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

This is just ridiculous. No way should anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty be defending this guy irrespective of what a lawyer might win in court. We do not need to add private factories printing parts for the "personal" conversion of dozens of weapons to automatic fire added to every other gun rights absurdity this country suffers. Your position is just shameful.

His private factory was printing gun parts to convert them into cash not full auto. American entrepreneurship at its finest.

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

That story only talks about charges. No judges, no judgements, and no convictions. 

"The son of a former Arkansas lieutenant governor and grandson of a former governor was sentenced Friday in federal court to 52 months in prison on one count of transfer of a machine gun.

Louis Henry Rockefeller, 25, son of the late Lt. Gov. Win Paul Rockefeller and grandson of the late Gov. Winthrop Rockefeller, pleaded guilty...In addition to the four years and four months he will spend in prison, Rockefeller was also ordered to serve three years on supervised release and to pay a $100,000 fine.... a number of 3D printed drop-in auto sears and what are known as "Glock switches," which convert AR-style rifles and Glock semi-automatic pistols to fire a full magazine with one trigger pull...

Gibbons testified to several sales of machine guns and auto-sears between Rockefeller and undercover officers, as well as a cooperating witness who came to police attention after he was arrested with a converted Glock pistol during a drug interdiction operation.

During a recording of one transaction played in court, Rockefeller could be heard telling the confidential informant how to install a drop-in sear into an AR style rifle and offering him a discount if he would bring him more customers."

Why? Are you and Brent going into business together? He has a sort of laissez-faire idea of gun laws. BIGUN has proven Brent wrong on many questions of gun laws.

Edited February 10, 2023 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 2,810]

17 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

His private factory was printing gun parts to convert them into cash not full auto. American entrepreneurship at its finest.

I didn't expect a religious zealot to understand.

[Phil1111 1,149]

28 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

His private factory was printing gun parts to convert them into cash not full auto. American entrepreneurship at its finest.

 

10 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I didn't expect a religious zealot to understand.

Brent is a Sovereign Citizen. "is a loose grouping of litigants, activists, tax protesters, financial scheme promoters and conspiracy theorists, who claim to be answerable only to their particular interpretations of the common law and believe that they are therefore not subject to any government statutes or proceedings, unless they consent to them"

So quit attacking his religion.

[brenthutch 444]

16 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I didn't expect a religious zealot to understand.

Joe you are overthinking this. It’s really very simple. An enterprising person identified a loophole in a government boondoggle (is that redundant?) and took advantage of it, full stop.  No need to don your tinfoil hat and invoke QAnon.

[BIGUN 1,398]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

His private factory was printing gun parts to convert them into cash not full auto.

The article you posted. THAT YOU POSTED! 

 ". . . 60 printed auto sears, small devices that can convert firearms into fully automatic weapons."

I don't care what his reason was. One cannot make a sear to make weapons automatic WITHOUT A TYPE 07 FFL. Sit back and watch. The ATF is gonna crawl up his ass. 

EDIT: The above posted before reading the rest of the thread. Thanks, Phil

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

BIGUN has proven Brent wrong on many questions of gun laws.

Edited February 10, 2023 by BIGUN

[brenthutch 444]

4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

The article you posted. THAT YOU POSTED! 

 ". . . 60 printed auto sears, small devices that can convert firearms into fully automatic weapons."

I don't care what his reason was. One cannot make a sear to make weapons automatic WITHOUT A TYPE 07 FFL. Sit back and watch. The ATF is gonna crawl up his ass. 

Popping popcorn 

BTW he made exactly ZERO weapons automatic.  

Edited February 10, 2023 by brenthutch

[billvon 3,063]

15 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

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His private factory was printing gun parts to convert them into cash not full auto.

I don't care what his reason was. One cannot make a sear to make weapons automatic WITHOUT A TYPE 07 FFL. Sit back and watch.

Agreed, but I do love the logic, and you can apply it so very many places.

That drug dealer wasn't making and selling meth to addicts, he was just using his private factory to convert chemicals into cash!  Nothing wrong with that.  American ingenuity at work.

Solomon Pena wasn't hiring hitmen to kill democrats, he was just using his own hard earned money to employ local workers and enrich them and their families!  Only a communist would be against capitalism and families.

[BIGUN 1,398]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

That drug dealer wasn't making and selling meth to addicts, he was just using his private factory to convert chemicals into cash!  Nothing wrong with that.  American ingenuity at work.

Nice. Great analogy.

[normiss 843]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

For now, Brent. For now. That was city. The federal government is about to land on his chest with both feet. Please stay tuned to the Guardian as this story is updated. Shit. 

Ghost guns on Trafficked

I found this one to be of her most interesting shows. Well done.

[brenthutch 444]

28 minutes ago, billvon said:

Agreed, but I do love the logic, and you can apply it so very many places.

That drug dealer wasn't making and selling meth to addicts, he was just using his private factory to convert chemicals into cash!  Nothing wrong with that.  American ingenuity at work.

Solomon Pena wasn't hiring hitmen to kill democrats, he was just using his own hard earned money to employ local workers and enrich them and their families!  Only a communist would be against capitalism and families.

I like how you equate the government to meth addicts.  Brilliant analogy!

[BIGUN 1,398]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

BTW he made exactly ZERO weapons automatic.  

it. does. Not. MATTER.

"Popping Popcorn"

So, you accomplished your mission, Ranger.

You are awarded the Distinguished Medal of Troll. 

[JoeWeber 2,810]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Joe you are overthinking this. It’s really very simple. An enterprising person identified a loophole in a government boondoggle (is that redundant?) and took advantage of it, full stop.  No need to don your tinfoil hat and invoke QAnon.

No, as per SOP, you are underthinking this.

[piisfish 140]

Not 2nd amendment as it was in Brasil, and turned out to be a rather surprising Darwin Award…

a Brazilian lawyer, advocating for gun carrying, went to assist his mother for an MRI. After receiving instructions to remove all metal objects, he failed to remove his gun. When the MRI machine was turned on, the magnetic field somewhat actioned the gun and shot him. Despite being quickly treated, he died a couple of days later. 
 

https://healthimaging.com/topics/medical-imaging/magnetic-resonance-imaging-mri/lawyer-who-was-shot-his-own-gun-mri-suite

[brenthutch 444]

The natives are restless tonight.

It is noteworthy that so many folks on this forum are so triggered by a simple “government plan backfires” story.