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[turtlespeed 226]

9 hours ago, billvon said:

Didn't you just say results matter more than perception?

We now have below-average inflation, are pumping more oil than any country EVER, an economy that is the envy of the world, record low unemployment, and a drastically dropping rate of illegal immigration and fentanyl deaths.

So no, he wasn't - even if you think he mumbles and rambles.  If competence is ability to do the job, rather than the ability to look, talk and act like you, then the only people fooled were you guys.

His Handlers are different than the man himself.

 

[turtlespeed 226]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

Sounds great and all… it’s just that you think it’s better for the racist hirers to continue with their racist hiring practices than for organisations to put any effort into trying to be less racist.

You and I, I think, want a smilar thing, or at least a similar outcome, but dissagree on the means and methods to acheive it.

But as to the process I described:  That is the check list for the hiring process.  It works well.

Nothing is perfect though, occaisionally you end up with someone who just doesnt work out.  That is what a probationary period, reviews, and performance matrixes is for. Obviously the goal is a 100% success rate.  It doesnt always work out.

Take Sam Brinton as an example.

 

[jakee 1,561]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Not really - 

See, you obviously want more rules, and more ways to make yourself subserviant.

I want freedom.

DEI is restriction, and it is virtue signaling.

Quit trying to increase the rukes that others have to live by just because you think they know more than they do, and know whats better for them than themselves. Every time you do that it makes yuou seem a little more narcissistic.

You are confused. DEI is something that companies choose to do. You are falsely calling them racist for doing it and trying to prevent them from using it. You are trying to increase the rules that companies have to abide by. 

But at least we’ve clarified that everything you’ve said so far is a smokescreen for the real issue. You just don’t think people should be told not to be racist.

Edited December 18, 2024 by jakee

[jakee 1,561]

56 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You and I, I think, want a smilar thing, or at least a similar outcome, but dissagree on the means and methods to acheive it.

In what way do you want to achieve it if you refuse to allow people to take any steps towards it?

56 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

But as to the process I described:  That is the check list for the hiring process.  It works well.

Nothing is perfect though, occaisionally you end up with someone who just doesnt work out.  That is what a probationary period, reviews, and performance matrixes is for. Obviously the goal is a 100% success rate.  It doesnt always work out.

Right - a checklist packed with subjective, gut feel criteria. 
 

And now hang on a minute - not quite perfect because you end up with people  entirely unsuitable to perform the job at all? Just a second ago we were talking about hiring the people who were definitively, measurably the absolute best possible candidates available and nothing else will do. Now we find that the process is still so flawed that you’re still ending up with people who are just plain incompetent? 

With that in mind, how on earth do you think you are actually measuring your success at hiring the one single best candidate of all the people who applied in that round? 

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12 hours ago, billvon said:

Didn't you just say results matter more than perception?

We now have below-average inflation, are pumping more oil than any country EVER, an economy that is the envy of the world, record low unemployment, and a drastically dropping rate of illegal immigration and fentanyl deaths.

So no, he wasn't - even if you think he mumbles and rambles.  If competence is ability to do the job, rather than the ability to look, talk and act like you, then the only people fooled were you guys.

Inflation is well above the feds target rate of 2% and higher than any time during the Trump administration. Unemployment rate is now 4.2% and rising (not close to record lows) illegal immigration and fentanyl deaths are dropping from astronomically high rates (resulting from Biden’s open border policy) and record oil production is irrespective of Biden’s anti fossil fuel agenda. 

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3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

No - I didn't say culture is a bad thing.

Unless you mean specifically Western culture, hich makes me suspect you have a dislike for and bias against it.

In a different thread you claimed the reason we shoot more people dead in the USA than comparable nations  is due to culture. So that's not a bad thing?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

RE: All of this is summarized in the score.

Sorry - It doesnt work that way.

well it does, if you want to take an unbiased and measured approach.

You wan to add feels and subjective measurements

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1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

well it does, if you want to take an unbiased and measured approach.

You wan to add feels and subjective measurements

Hey…do you drive a Prius, wear spandex, and take yoga classes?

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14 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Hey…do you drive a Prius, wear spandex, and take yoga classes?

wake up, you are verbalizing your fantasies.

[jaybird18c 24]

15 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

wake up, you are verbalizing your fantasies.

I was trying to figure out just how similar you are to Billvon.

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5 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I was trying to figure out just how similar you are to Billvon.

He is significantly smarter than I am.

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55 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

He is significantly smarter than I am.

Well…you’re a liberal…so that at least puts you in his skydiving club.

[billvon 3,067]

5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

See, you obviously want more rules, and more ways to make yourself subserviant.

I want freedom.

So you want freedom and no rules.

At the DZ do you exit whenever you like, leave no separation, and then pull at whatever altitude you want?  Spiral through crowded landing patterns and land downwind?  Cut students off for shits and grins?  You must be a treat at boogies.

On the road do you drive 20mph under the speed limit in the left lane, then try to drive 20mph over the speed limit in the right lane?  If so I can swear I've seen you driving around here.  Run red lights because freedom?  Drive drunk all the time?  Park in handicapped spots so you don't have to walk?  Hey, if that floats your boat . . ..

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DEI is restriction, and it is virtue signaling.

Let's see if you really believe that.

Do you really want to work only with people that look, sound and live like you do?  Or are you OK with (say) black and gay people if they are equally qualified?  Because if you are, then you value diversity.

Do you really want to end handicapped parking spots?  Because having everyone get the same access to spots is equality; having handicapped spots so handicapped people actually have a chance to (say) go to the store is equity.

Do you really want to cancel the VA hospital system?  Because, again, having everyone get the same access to medical care is equality.  Giving wounded veterans preference is equity.

Do you really want to exclude everyone from the DZ except whatever your style of flying is?  (i.e. if you're belly, excluding freeflyers because they're dumb.)  That's exclusion.  Including all skydivers - freeflyers, wingsuiters, CRW, whatever - is inclusion.

If you really oppose DEI, then you'd be a pretty miserable, hateful person.  I have a feeling you are not, and that you just believe FOX News when they tell you what DEI is.

Just as I left MIT, the ratio of men to women was 75 to 25.  They started a DEI program to get more women into the school.  Our band did a few events for the first Women's Weekend.  Now 35 years later it's very close to 50/50.  And they did that without lowering admissions standards; they just worked on inclusion (i.e. getting information out to high schoolers that women were welcome there, and could do well.)  That's a good thing overall.

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5 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Well…you’re a liberal…so that at least puts you in his skydiving club.

In the US I would be a Democrat yes. The Republicans desire to insert themselves into abortion, reduction of voting rights and the general push towards an oligarchy would keep me far away from the Republicans.

In Canada I am a member of the CPC.

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11 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

In the US I would be a Democrat yes. The Republicans desire to insert themselves into abortion, reduction of voting rights and the general push towards an oligarchy would keep me far away from the Republicans.

In Canada I am a member of the CPC.

We…you’d fit right in with the liberal democrat socialist party.

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5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Not really - 

See, you obviously want more rules, and more ways to make yourself subserviant.

I want freedom.

 

 

 

So do the women in my life - the most basic freedom, freedom over their own bodies without interference from people like you and your GOP heroes.

[billvon 3,067]

1 minute ago, jaybird18c said:

We…you’d fit right in with the liberal democrat socialist party.

Well then he can't be in my club!  I'm an independent; neither party represents me well.

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1 minute ago, billvon said:

Well then he can't be in my club!  I'm an independent; neither party represents me well.

Yeah…what is an independent who votes democrat? A democrat. 

I could call myself a member of the “The DZ.COM Needs to Die” party. However, if I vote republican. I’m…a…republican.

[billvon 3,067]

39 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Yeah…what is an independent who votes democrat? A democrat. 

What is an independent who votes for both?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

We…you’d fit right in with the liberal democrat socialist party.

I didn't think you would know what CPC would stand for. 

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4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

I didn't think you would know what CPC would stand for. 

I didn’t. Why would I? I looked it up 4 hours ago like anyone would. Why would most Americans care about CPC?

[jaybird18c 24]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

What is an independent who votes for both?

Which republican presidents have you voted for Billvon? 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Why would most Americans care about CPC?

Well. Your President-elect is babbling about Canada becoming the 51st state and the next PM will likely come from the CPC. That is just one reason.

One other reason to not be dumb.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Well. Your President-elect is babbling about Canada becoming the 51st state and the next PM will likely come from the CPC. That is just one reason.

One other reason to not be dumb.

Well…Canada wouldn’t be too hard to take. Pansy asses. Just saying.

Edited December 18, 2024 by jaybird18c

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Well…Canada wouldn’t be too hard to take. Pansy asses. Just saying.

Meh, you couldn't take Cuba, you couldn't hold Iraq, you couldn't hold Afghanistan, you couldn't take Korea, you couldn't win Vietnam.

I think we'll be ok. Specially considering you probably wouldn't be able to find Canada on a map.

dumb fucks