Woke is a Joke

[jakee 1,489]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Sayin that? What is THAT?

“Nope - you found one guy on FOX that said that.”

That ‘that’ right there is that. How short is you attention span, man?

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

What’s the probability you will admit to that he’s just covering his own ass after the plan he publicly signed up to ended in total failure?  What’s the probability you will admit to that Biden was finishing the real plan that Trump started?

I will at least admit that it is a remote possibility.

However unlikely if you take Trumps personality and tendancies into account.

His actions line up exactly as what i would expect from him.

The tendency for Biden to act as he did, fucking up the whole ordeal, is what I expect from him.

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

What’s the probability you will admit to that he’s just covering his own ass after the plan he publicly signed up to ended in total failure?  What’s the probability you will admit to that Biden was finishing the real plan that Trump started?

Biden finished the plan in an abysmal, embarrassing, and cowardly fashion, resulting in the useless death of Americans. I doubt that was the way Trump intended.

Edited December 21, 2024 by jaybird18c

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

“Nope - you found one guy on FOX that said that.”

That ‘that’ right there is that. How short is you attention span, man?

So you now agree with me?

[jakee 1,489]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Just call them all Nazis. That seems to work in the media. 

No thanks, I’d rather not behave like Trump and Fox. You go ahead if you want though.

https://time.com/6306945/donald-trump-democrats-fascists/

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

No thanks, I’d rather not behave like Trump and Fox. You go ahead if you want though.

https://time.com/6306945/donald-trump-democrats-fascists/

Liberal, socialist, democrats don’t do that regularly?

[jakee 1,489]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

So you now agree with me?

You agree that your own article contains more military and Trump administration officials calling your ‘reliable source’ a liar? Because that was the ‘that’ that you said.

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

 

I gave you my reasoning why I disagree - 

Your disagreement in total is "Because Orange man Bad"

Just look at the patterns.  

[jakee 1,489]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Liberal, socialist, democrats don’t do that regularly?

Trump, MAGA and the Republicans do. So feel free to join in with then. 

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

You agree that your own article contains more military and Trump administration officials calling your ‘reliable source’ a liar? Because that was the ‘that’ that you said.

You'll have to show me where you misinterrpreted that.

Are you saying Miller is lying?  Why?  What does he gain?

You cannot concieve of any scenario where this is a possibility.  Interesting - 

Great critical thinking skilz!

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

Trump, MAGA and the Republicans do. So feel free to join in with then. 

With When?

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

Trump, MAGA and the Republicans do. So feel free to join in with then. 

Come on dude. Be honest. It’s all I heard during the campaign. Stupid rhetoric from both sides, the liberal side having a larger percentage of the megaphone. 

[jakee 1,489]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

I gave you my reasoning why I disagree - 

Your disagreement in total is "Because Orange man Bad"

Just look at the patterns.  

Remember this started because you lied about Biden ignoring the withdrawal agreement? Remember that the only thing you have in support of a secret Trump plan to ignore the withdrawal agreement is a partisan Trump administration insider saying, after the plan he’d publicly agreed to had collapsed, that they never really meant it? Remember that the military, other Trump insiders and the reality of Trump’s abandonment of Afghan forces prove that what he’s saying is a lie?

What reason do you have for your argument except for your unquestioning adulation of the orange man and all his works?

[turtlespeed 220]

5 minutes ago, jakee said:

You agree that your own article contains more military and Trump administration officials calling your ‘reliable source’ a liar? Because that was the ‘that’ that you said.

I'll agree on this: ln March, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley reportedly told Biden that leaving fewer than 2,500 troops could allow quick Taliban gains and re-establish a haven for extremist groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS to plan attacks against Western targets. 

and this: Mike Nagata, a retired Army three-star who directed strategic operational planning at the National Counterterrorism Center, said that he wasn't surprised to hear the 800-troop number but that it is inadequate.

And This: Defense One was able to confirm Miller’s account of the 800-personnel study independently with another former NSC staff member. 

But nowhere in that article did anyone disagree with it as you say they did.

[turtlespeed 220]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

Remember this started because you lied about Biden ignoring the withdrawal agreement? Remember that the only thing you have in support of a secret Trump plan to ignore the withdrawal agreement is a partisan Trump administration insider saying, after the plan he’d publicly agreed to had collapsed, that they never really meant it? Remember that the military, other Trump insiders and the reality of Trump’s abandonment of Afghan forces prove that what he’s saying is a lie?

What reason do you have for your argument except for your unquestioning adulation of the orange man and all his works?

He ignored Trumps plan and he failed. FUCKING miserably

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

He ignored Trumps plan and he failed. FUCKING miserably

This!

[jakee 1,489]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you saying Miller is lying?  Why?  What does he gain?

Why would he want to burnish his reputation instead of meekly accepting his association with absolute failure? Why would he want to bolster his position in the far right think tank network by being willing to spin any tale that paints MAGA as savants and the Democrats as idiots? No you’re right, it’s a total fucking mystery. 
 

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You cannot concieve of any scenario where this is a possibility. 

What is the possibility that Trump’s real plan was the withdrawal agreement he negotiated and signed? What is the possibility that Biden continued with Trump’s real plan - total withdrawal, just like he said it was? How possible do you think that was? 

[billvon 2,990]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

He ignored Trumps plan and he failed. FUCKING miserably

Except for the part where he implemented it.

 

[jakee 1,489]

18 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I doubt that was the way Trump intended.

Of course it wasn’t what Trump intended, he was just too clueless to know otherwise.

[jakee 1,489]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I'll agree on this: ln March, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley reportedly told Biden that leaving fewer than 2,500 troops could allow quick Taliban gains and re-establish a haven for extremist groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS to plan attacks against Western targets. 

Excellent point, I’m glad you brought that up! Remind me now, as I’d hate to make a mistake… how many is 800? 

[jaybird18c 24]

Who is/was in charge. Seriously. 

[jakee 1,489]

15 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Come on dude. Be honest. It’s all I heard during the campaign. Stupid rhetoric from both sides, the liberal side having a larger percentage of the megaphone. 

Sure, Trump and his surrogates calling the democrats fascists, Nazis and totalitarians was all I heard from them too. So why were you making it a liberal media thing? 
 

But hey, if you disagree with me, feel free to just call me a Nazi like Trump would. 

[turtlespeed 220]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

Excellent point, I’m glad you brought that up! Remind me now, as I’d hate to make a mistake… how many is 800? 

Less than the reccomended amount.  Yet biden still went with that.

Wargames be damned.  It was advised against, and Biden knew it, and he still allowed it.

[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

Sure, Trump and his surrogates calling the democrats fascists, Nazis and totalitarians was all I heard from them too. So why were you making it a liberal media thing? 
 

But hey, if you disagree with me, feel free to just call me a Nazi like Trump would. 

Lets pile up a scale of when who said what and see which side fills up with NAZI calliing.

[jakee 1,489]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Who is/was in charge. Seriously. 

Trump was in charge when they came up with the plan. Trump was in charge when they enacted it in 2020, abandoning the Afghan defence forces to suffer huge losses while the Taliban built its strength for the total subjugation of the country.