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[turtlespeed 220]

Just now, jakee said:

Trump was in charge when they came up with the plan. Trump was in charge when they enacted it in 2020, abandoning the Afghan defence forces to suffer huge losses while the Taliban built its strength for the total subjugation of the country. 

Trump was in charge when he came up with HIS plan that Bidedn didnt follow.  Ask SEC DEF Miller.

OR - are you saying that Biden is incapable of independent thought, and had to ride on Trumps coat tails the best he could, and this is the result we ended up with?

[jakee 1,489]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Less than the reccomended amount.  Yet biden still went with that.

Wargames be damned.  It was advised against, and Biden knew it, and he still allowed it.

So your reliable source is an idiot who had a plan that never would have worked… but that was what Trump was going to do? Remember you have been incredibly insistent on this point, that Trump was absolutely definitely going to follow this plan of 800 people.

 

Now you’re blaming Biden for that too?

[jaybird18c 24]

5 minutes ago, jakee said:

Trump was in charge when they came up with the plan. Trump was in charge when they enacted it in 2020, abandoning the Afghan defence forces to suffer huge losses while the Taliban built its strength for the total subjugation of the country. 

Bro. That is a huge example of deflection. And you’re really going to make the argument that the media isn’t primarily liberal? That has definitely been argued before.

Edited December 21, 2024 by jaybird18c

[jakee 1,489]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Trump was in charge when he came up with HIS plan that Bidedn didnt follow.  Ask SEC DEF Miller.

But you just said that plan of 800 people  wasn’t recommended but Biden did it anyway? Make up your mind, dude!

So what plan did Trump have? He didn’t have the plan that he publicly negotiated and signed. Nooooo they weren’t going to do that. They didn’t have the plan Chris Miller said they secretly had of leaving 800 people there. Noooooooo they weren’t going to do that. So what plan did they have?

Effectively you’re saying that all of Trump’s proclamations of being the guy to get the US out of Afghanistan were just a total con, they had no plan to leave at all?

[jakee 1,489]

3 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Bro. That is a huge example of deflection.

Are you joking?

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

Are you joking?

No. Biden was president then. He’s supposed to still be. He’s responsible for his actions. Unless…he’s really mentally incapable…but that’s a whole other discussion as to who’s really in charge.

[turtlespeed 220]

9 minutes ago, jakee said:

So your reliable source is an idiot who had a plan that never would have worked… but that was what Trump was going to do? Remember you have been incredibly insistent on this point, that Trump was absolutely definitely going to follow this plan of 800 people.

 

Now you’re blaming Biden for that too?

Read the article again.

The plan was a starting point. It kept the Taliban at the table.

Even Pompeo said (quoted in the article) that they were going to demand that the Taliban start coming through with the stipulations.  Biden didnt enforce that.

[jakee 1,489]

4 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

No. Biden was president then. He’s supposed to still be. He’s responsible for his actions. Unless…he’s really mentally incapable…but that’s a whole other discussion as to who’s really in charge.

And Trump was President when he abandoned the Afghan defence forces, told the Taliban he was handing them the country and have them the space they needed to plan their takeover. How many soldiers would need to be redeployed and money need to be spent just to undo that damage, let alone get to the point where any withdrawal could actually work?

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1 minute ago, jakee said:

And Trump was President when he abandoned the Afghan defence forces, told the Taliban he was handing them the country and have them the space they needed to plan their takeover. How many soldiers would need to be redeployed and money need to be spent just to undo that damage, let alone get to the point where any withdrawal could actually work?

Who was in charge over this?

[jakee 1,489]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Read the article again.

The plan was a starting point. It kept the Taliban at the table.

Lol, no. Read the article and your own arguments again. You and he are saying the total withdrawal agreement was the thing to keep the Taliban at the table. The 800 people was the plan that he says he thought would actually work, and therefore the thing that you said was absolutely definitely unquestionably the thing they were actually going to do. Except that, as you’ve just so brilliantly pointed out, it was a terrible plan and never would have worked.

[jaybird18c 24]

Turtle…the democrats “cannot” be responsible. Reminds me of Hillary Clinton and Benghazi.

[jakee 1,489]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Who was in charge over this?

Biden. No-one’s saying he did that bit brilliantly. But it happened because he decided the best thing was to honour the agreements Trump put in place. Again - after the utter disaster for the Afghans of 2020, their total abandonment by Trump and the resurgence of the Taliban, how much a redeployment would it have taken just to get back to 2019?

[jaybird18c 24]

Democrats are weak.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

Biden. No-one’s saying he did that bit brilliantly. But it happened because he decided the best thing was to honour the agreements Trump put in place. Again - after the utter disaster for the Afghans of 2020, their total abandonment by Trump and the resurgence of the Taliban, how much a redeployment would it have taken just to get back to 2019?

Ha! Nobody’s saying that Biden isn’t a dumbass. But it’s not his fault. I’m from Alabama. I’d better add….”Bless his heart.”

Edited December 21, 2024 by jaybird18c

[jakee 1,489]

1 minute ago, jaybird18c said:

Turtle…the democrats “cannot” be responsible. Reminds me of Hillary Clinton and Benghazi.

Tell me what Trump is responsible for regarding the Afghanistan draw down?

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, jakee said:

Tell me what Trump is responsible for regarding the Afghanistan draw down?

He wasn’t the current president.

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Tell me what Trump is responsible for regarding the Afghanistan draw down?

It’s really Bush’s fault.

[jaybird18c 24]

(Pashtun dialect) “Thank you Mr. Biden!”

[jakee 1,489]

4 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

It’s really Bush’s fault.

So Trump isn’t responsible for anything? MAGA is never responsible for anything?

[billvon 2,991]

8 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Turtle…the democrats “cannot” be responsible.

Coming from a guy who just elected a rapist and a felon with the excuse "well, that's just politics" - I am just going to laugh at you.

[jakee 1,489]

6 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

He wasn’t the current president.

He was the President who abandoned the Afghan Defence forces to the Taliban. He was the President who stopped fighting them and allowed them to prepare to take the country back. He’s the President who gave them thousands of fighters back. 
 

Is he responsible for any of it?

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1 minute ago, billvon said:

Coming from a guy who just elected a rapist and a felon with the excuse "well, that's just politics" - I am just going to laugh at you.

So your retort is to make it personal with me and to change the subject? Anyway, we’ll see how all that works out for you.

[jaybird18c 24]

7 minutes ago, jakee said:

So Trump isn’t responsible for anything? MAGA is never responsible for anything?

I guess it is a confusing question as to who’s President these days. I’ll admit that.

[jaybird18c 24]

7 minutes ago, jakee said:

He was the President who abandoned the Afghan Defence forces to the Taliban. He was the President who stopped fighting them and allowed them to prepare to take the country back. He’s the President who gave them thousands of fighters back. 
 

Is he responsible for any of it?

Are you one of those people who was a proponent of staying in Afghanistan? How would you expect a drawdown without actually drawing down? I thought we should have gotten out a decade ago. The question is how Biden went about it. I guarantee you the way things went down wasn’t in the plan. “Biden did that!”

[jakee 1,489]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I guess it is a confusing question as to who’s President these days. I’ll admit that.

Is Trump ever responsible for anything? Is MAGA ever responsible for anything?