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[jakee 1,489]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Are you one of those people who was a proponent of staying in Afghanistan? How would you expect a drawdown without actually drawing down? I thought we should have gotten out a decade ago.

And yet here you are saying the catastrophe was that Biden wasn’t following Trump’s secret plan of… not withdrawing. So how was that going to go for you? 
 

4 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I guarantee you the way things went down wasn’t in the plan. 

Right, the plan was for everything to be sunshine and roses and for the Taliban to behave like reasonable grown up politicians. Of course that wasn’t in the plan, but any plan that didn’t involve that and also didn’t involve not withdrawing was a fantasy.

So again, is Trump ever responsible for anything? 

[turtlespeed 220]

27 minutes ago, jakee said:

He was the President who abandoned the Afghan Defence forces to the Taliban. He was the President who stopped fighting them and allowed them to prepare to take the country back. He’s the President who gave them thousands of fighters back. 
 

Is he responsible for any of it?

Yes.  He is. 

I disagreed whole heartedly when he pressured for the release of the terrorists.

 

[turtlespeed 220]

19 minutes ago, jakee said:

Is Trump ever responsible for anything? Is MAGA ever responsible for anything?

Exactly the same amount that you think Biden is to blame.

[turtlespeed 220]

14 minutes ago, jakee said:

 

So again, is Trump ever responsible for anything? 

Replace the name Trump with Biden and describe what you think Biden's culpability was.

[jakee 1,489]

10 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Yes.  He is. 

I disagreed whole heartedly when he pressured for the release of the terrorists.

And yet you think he had a master plan for the whole thing. Just not the plan he said in public, and not the plan that his Sec Def said afterwards was secretly the real plan… but definitely some kind of master plan! 
But again Mr open minded - what is the possibility that Trump was simply planning to do what his own agreement said the US would do, and Biden did continue on with that same plan?

Edited December 21, 2024 by jakee

[turtlespeed 220]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

And yet you think he had a master plan for the whole thing. Just not the plan he said in public, and not the plan that his Sec Def said afterwards was secretly the real plan… but definitely some kind of master plan! 
But again Mr open minded - what is the possibility that Trump was simply planning to do what his own agreement said the US would do, and Biden did continue on with that same plan?

I think he had alterior motives that he was unable to make come to fruition, due to his hubris in thinking he had the next election sewed up.

So, yes.  That sounds just like what I have come to expect from him.

Would it have worked? No one will ever know.

 

Are you going to answer what Biden's culpability was?

CAN you admit he has some?

[jakee 1,489]

8 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I think he had alterior motives that he was unable to make come to fruition, due to his hubris in thinking he had the next election sewed up.

I don’t think you know what ‘motives’ means.

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Would it have worked? No one will ever know.

Why did you say the disaster was a result of Biden not following Trump’s plan then? Not only do you not know what his plan was, you don’t know if it would have been any better. Yet you are absolutely certain that Biden’a failure was not doing what Trump wanted to do.

[kallend 2,026]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Thank you for proving my closed mind theory.

But i am accepting apologies for calling me a liar, when you said I didn't have the article, that you were going to dismiss, just like you did.!!

I don't think you're a liar.  I think you're just stupidly gullible.

[turtlespeed 220]

59 minutes ago, jakee said:

I don’t think you know what ‘motives’ means.

Why did you say the disaster was a result of Biden not following Trump’s plan then? Not only do you not know what his plan was, you don’t know if it would have been any better. Yet you are absolutely certain that Biden’a failure was not doing what Trump wanted to do.

Correct.  Did you see the pattern of things the biden admin did to spite Trump? Until they finally had to admit, at least to themselves, that most of it worked and it was a mistake.

Yeah.  Thats what happened here.

[turtlespeed 220]

30 minutes ago, kallend said:

I don't think you're a liar.  I think you're just stupidly gullible.

Why, Thanks John.  That's as close to a compliment as I'll ever get from you.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Correct. 

Exactly - you have no idea what the secret Trump plan was, no idea whether it would have worked, but you're so closed minded you can't imagine even the tinest possibility that they were actually doing what they said they were doing at the time, and the plan really was to follow the agreement as Biden did.

[kallend 2,026]

4 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Are you one of those people who was a proponent of staying in Afghanistan? How would you expect a drawdown without actually drawing down? I thought we should have gotten out a decade ago. The question is how Biden went about it. I guarantee you the way things went down wasn’t in the plan. “Biden did that!”

Your guarantees are worth squat.

You and Turtle have clearly drunk too much of the Kool Aid.

[billvon 2,990]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Exactly - you have no idea what the secret Trump plan was

Reminds me of Nixon who had a "secret plan" to get out of Vietnam.  All you had to do was re-elect him and he'd tell you.

[nigel99 471]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

Sure, Trump and his surrogates calling the democrats fascists, Nazis and totalitarians was all I heard from them too. So why were you making it a liberal media thing? 
 

But hey, if you disagree with me, feel free to just call me a Nazi like Trump would. 

JD Vance is a liberal? Funny how they ignore his statement regarding Trump

[Erroll 80]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

7 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I think he had alterior motives that he was unable to make come to fruition, due to his hubris in thinking he had the next election sewed up.

I don’t think you know what ‘motives’ means.

I don't know what 'alterior' means.....

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

He wasn’t the current president.

Jay, you are not a serious person outside of wanting to bitch slap anyone you don't like. Trump made the agreement and put it all in play. Now you and your types are all about arguing that it's Biden's fault simply because he inherited a shit deal or that the shit deal was part of a super secret 4 dimensional chess move that Biden couldn't figure out and then fucked it up. Think about it for a second without your usual hate: only a revocation of an agreement made by an American President followed by a surge of troops that no one wanted could have kicked the can down the road to a future uncertain end. Something you need to get straight: we lose a lot regardless of how horny to stab our enemies you are.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Why, Thanks John.  That's as close to a compliment as I'll ever get from you.

You wont get the same from me. I asked you this earlier: 

"You have made very broad claims here about how business practices, negotiations, and employee hirings are best handled. Fine and fair enough. Please tell us what business you are in or what position you hold to give context and authority to your assertions."

So, what are your qualifications? Do you work in a Taco Truck? 

 

[kallend 2,026]

10 hours ago, jakee said:

Exactly - you have no idea what the secret Trump plan was, no idea whether it would have worked, but you're so closed minded you can't imagine even the tinest possibility that they were actually doing what they said they were doing at the time, and the plan really was to follow the agreement as Biden did.

Funny how this "secret plan" materialized in hindsight, and comes from a Trump crony/apologist.

Kool Aid for the gullible.

[jakee 1,489]

15 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Until they finally had to admit, at least to themselves, that most of it worked and it was a mistake.

Yeah.  Thats what happened here.

The fundamental problem with the Afghan withdrawal was that the Taliban were told it would happen 18 months in advance, and were left alone to plan for that day and rebuild their strength to immediately take advantage of it. This fantasy that you and Jay have that Trump was working all the angles behind the scenes with a new secret double bluff plan... ridiculous! Trump agreed to stop fighting the Taliban, and did it. Trump stopped sending troops to support anti-Taliban missions, he stopped sending airstrikes to suppress Taliban commmanders and training facilities, and he did it in exchange for a pinky-swear promise that the Taliban wouldn't do exactly what they eventually did.

This is the insurmountable problem with your version of events. The plan you say was 'a ruse' was already implemented. It was full on happening, exactly as it had been agreed.

[turtlespeed 220]

17 hours ago, jakee said:

Exactly - you have no idea what the secret Trump plan was, no idea whether it would have worked, but you're so closed minded you can't imagine even the tinest possibility that they were actually doing what they said they were doing at the time, and the plan really was to follow the agreement as Biden did.

I can conceive of a possibility that they were.

The difference here is you cannot see the other side of that position.

It simply cannot exist in your world.

 

THAT is closed mindedness.

Edited December 22, 2024 by turtlespeed

[turtlespeed 220]

12 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You wont get the same from me. I asked you this earlier: 

"You have made very broad claims here about how business practices, negotiations, and employee hirings are best handled. Fine and fair enough. Please tell us what business you are in or what position you hold to give context and authority to your assertions."

So, what are your qualifications? Do you work in a Taco Truck? 

 

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No.  I don't have a food license anymore.

It's really not a topic I care to discuss.  More than one person here has lost their jobs by posting here.

Edited December 22, 2024 by turtlespeed

[turtlespeed 220]

12 hours ago, Erroll said:

I don't know what 'alterior' means.....

Damn.  It's a huge, unbeatable mental jump for you to insert a U intead of an A in a misspelled word?

My apologies.

<eyeroll>

[turtlespeed 220]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

The fundamental problem with the Afghan withdrawal was that the Taliban were told it would happen 18 months in advance, and were left alone to plan for that day and rebuild their strength to immediately take advantage of it. This fantasy that you and Jay have that Trump was working all the angles behind the scenes with a new secret double bluff plan... ridiculous! Trump agreed to stop fighting the Taliban, and did it. Trump stopped sending troops to support anti-Taliban missions, he stopped sending airstrikes to suppress Taliban commmanders and training facilities, and he did it in exchange for a pinky-swear promise that the Taliban wouldn't do exactly what they eventually did.

This is the insurmountable problem with your version of events. The plan you say was 'a ruse' was already implemented. It was full on happening, exactly as it had been agreed.

You think that soley based on your bias, TDS, closed mind, and hatred for Trump.  The media has told you to.

You think it's rediculous.  I think it's plausible.

Which one of us is considering both possibilities?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

More than one person here has lost their jobs by posting here.

Alrighty, then, we wouldn't want you to lose your jobs. In the meantime, for the sake of honesty you might precede any authoritative posts on business or employment practices with the statement: I can't claim any experience on this topic but I think......

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I can conceive of a possibility that they were.

The difference here is you cannot see the other side of that position.

It simply cannot exist in your world.

 

THAT is closed mindedness.

Dude, you couldn't even conceive that a former Trump cabinet member who works for the Heritage Foundation could have a reason to embellish Trump's record!  That's how closed minded you are