Woke is a Joke

[jaybird18c 22]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

A lot of advancements in surgeries, especially orthopedics, happen first in Europe. We get them several years later. 

All I’m seeing is “gold standard,” “best in the world,” “clear leader.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10317843/

[nigel99 466]

11 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

All I’m seeing is “gold standard,” “best in the world,” “clear leader.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10317843/

Did you actually read that article?

From the article you posted “

Unfortunately, instead of seeing a significant return on this investment, the nation lags significantly behind most of the developed world in a wide range of health outcomes. Among the 38 members of the intergovernmental agency Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the United States is ranked 34th in infant mortality, 32nd in total life expectancy, 32nd in suicide rates, and 38th in total obesity rates [18]. 

Additionally, approximately 8% of Americans are not covered by any form of health insurance [10]. For these patients, as well as the underinsured, the anticipated out-of-pocket costs associated with medical treatment can have a profound effect. A recent poll of a representative sample of Americans with and without insurance found that 41% of respondents reported forgoing a necessary visit to their local emergency department in the past year due to concerns about cost [20]. An additional 26% reported delaying or skipping treatment, and 19% reported postponing the purchase of their medications due to cost. Around 12% of Americans required borrowing money to pay for their medical care.”

Search for US Health care ranking in wealthy nations and it comes last..https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2024/sep/mirror-mirror-2024

[kallend 2,026]

[jakee 1,489]

8 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Just closing it out (hopefully). I actually think I first joined in the 2004 timeframe. I quit the nonsense for a very long time. Deleted my account (if I remember correctly). Rejoined. Still didn’t participate much at all. Now…I am ecstatic that it’s going to die. It could have been a cool thing to be a part of except for the preponderance of obnoxious leftists. I tried for a very long time, in the beginning, to carry on polite sincere respectful conversations. That turned out to not be possible. 

Ah yes, the old 'my behaviour is your fault' gambit. Exactly the kind of personal responsibilty the new right is known for.

[base698 14]

3 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Did you actually read that article?

From the article you posted “

Unfortunately, instead of seeing a significant return on this investment, the nation lags significantly behind most of the developed world in a wide range of health outcomes. Among the 38 members of the intergovernmental agency Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), the United States is ranked 34th in infant mortality, 32nd in total life expectancy, 32nd in suicide rates, and 38th in total obesity rates [18]. 

Additionally, approximately 8% of Americans are not covered by any form of health insurance [10]. For these patients, as well as the underinsured, the anticipated out-of-pocket costs associated with medical treatment can have a profound effect. A recent poll of a representative sample of Americans with and without insurance found that 41% of respondents reported forgoing a necessary visit to their local emergency department in the past year due to concerns about cost [20]. An additional 26% reported delaying or skipping treatment, and 19% reported postponing the purchase of their medications due to cost. Around 12% of Americans required borrowing money to pay for their medical care.”

Search for US Health care ranking in wealthy nations and it comes last..https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2024/sep/mirror-mirror-2024

Yeah, but how many doctors in those other countries have a 600 bottle wine collection or a Bentley?

[turtlespeed 219]

14 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Didn't matter to your boy Billy either, until he blew is whole family away.

Another sacrifice to the 2nd Amendment.

Mental illness did that.  Or guilt.  Or both.

The second amendment did nothing.

[turtlespeed 219]

13 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

You know….come to think of it….you and all these other people here who aren’t from the US…why do you even care enough to argue so hard against our freedoms? Why does what we do even concern you in your socialistic utopias? 

Thats easy!

Narcissism.

[turtlespeed 219]

9 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Cool, so some Canadians apparently travel to the US. Well most of us in the west are pretty happy with our medical systems and not going bankrupt to pay medical bills. 

I’ve yet to meet a non American who admires the US healthcare system. In general it’s held up as a bad example of how to do things. 

Of course they do.  What else do that have to do while they wait for treatment?

[turtlespeed 219]

6 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I think a good balance is free public healthcare that provides a minimum safety net and then private medical that provides a higher tier of healthcare for those that can afford it. I realise that is a tricky balance to implement with lots of grey areas.

An example is when I shattered my risk snowboarding in Switzerland. The Swiss told me I needed surgery to restore full function but it wasn’t covered by my travel insurance. Back home in the UK the national health service just put me in a cast to heal. Relatively cheap and I never fully recovered the full motion in my wrist. If I had private health I would probably have got a higher standard of care and potentially a better long term outcome.

Probably not so black and white if choosing between an expensive cancer treatment that might extend your life and not having it available if you’re on public health.

I'm sorry that happened, Nigel.

Is there any hope of improvement with surgery?  Can you appeal?

[gowlerk 2,190]

10 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I’m sure it’s descent for standard stuff. But why are Canadians coming here when they really need help and don’t have the time to wait for however long it takes in your socialistic system? 

The Canadian system is not perfect. But it is better than the one you have that causes the population to celebrate when its leaders are gunned down in the street. The results speak for themselves.

[wmw999 2,439]

10 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I’m sure it’s descent for standard stuff. But why are Canadians coming here when they really need help and don’t have the time to wait for however long it takes in your socialistic system? 

And I know Americans that go to Europe, India, Mexico, and Costa Rica for care. What does that say about American medical care?

Wendy P.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

9 hours ago, wmw999 said:

... Yes, it’s anecdotal, but so is the brother’s cousin’s friend who died of a brain bleed after gagging the COVID vaccine...

There's a big difference between the two.

The 'brother's cousin's friend who died of a brain bleed from the Covid vax'...

Doesn't exist.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

10 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Yeah…ok…

“To avoid delays in treatment, many Canadians travel south to the United States for more advanced treatment. Critics of the Canadian system must deal with the fact that most Canadians support their version of Medicare. The single most important defense of medical care delivery in Canada is that it works relatively well.”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3633404/#:~:text=To avoid delays in treatment,that it works relatively well.

Correct, our system still isn't the best, nor is it currently in great shape. But, we won't get bankrupted having a medical issue.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

42 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Mental illness did that.  Or guilt.  Or both.

The second amendment did nothing.

Well, the 2nd Amendment allowed a mental case to own as many firearms as he wanted.

Even here you have to be delusional to not challenge your own preconceptions. Like jay bird, you are a weak, weak man.

[nigel99 466]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

Yeah, but how many doctors in those other countries have a 600 bottle wine collection or a Bentley?

Everyone deserves 600 bottles of wine

Someone recently mentioned how ‘we’ collectively benefit from the US spending on medical research more than Americans do. 

[wmw999 2,439]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

There's a big difference between the two.

The 'brother's cousin's friend who died of a brain bleed from the Covid vax'...

Doesn't exist.

Ah, but he died right after it -- it MUST be related!

Wendy P.

[winsor 236]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

There's a big difference between the two.

The 'brother's cousin's friend who died of a brain bleed from the Covid vax'...

Doesn't exist.

Actually, the issue was largely a matter of thrombogenic spike proteins leaving the deltoid and generating fatal blood clots hither and yon.

[winsor 236]

30 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Ah, but he died right after it -- it MUST be related!

Wendy P.

Correlation does not imply causation in and of itself, but such statistics as are published are alarming.

I don't know how deep a study of stochastic processes was to your discipline, but there is a difference between healthy skepticism and reflexive dismissal.

If you are skilled with the math, feel free to get ahold of untainted data and run the numbers.

[billvon 2,989]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

There's a big difference between the two.

The 'brother's cousin's friend who died of a brain bleed from the Covid vax'...

Doesn't exist.

But he MIGHT!  And isn't that the same as really existing?

[wmw999 2,439]

44 minutes ago, billvon said:

But he MIGHT!  And isn't that the same as really existing?

And that was told me by a woman who was on the same boat as us scuba diving a couple of weeks ago. She wore full make up and false eyelashes for scuba. Consider the source.

Wendy P.

[tkhayes 348]

18 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I’d fight for those kids. Can’t do that if I’m disarmed, though. My kids also have guns and know how to use them. Funny how that works.

No you won’t and no you aren’t. You are doing NOTHING for those kids and you simply don’t give a flying fuck

but sure, you and your fellow gun-right-above-all-else crazies can easily convince yourself that you are fighting for something while hundreds of thousands of people and billions of dollars are grossly affected by gun violence

 

keep fighting you hypocrites 

[turtlespeed 219]

4 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

There's a big difference between the two.

The 'brother's cousin's friend who died of a brain bleed from the Covid vax'...

Doesn't exist.

Wishing that were true is not the same this as it not existing.

[turtlespeed 219]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

No you won’t and no you aren’t.

How can you possibly KNOW that as a fact?

[kallend 2,026]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

But he MIGHT!  And isn't that the same as really existing?

Sure, and 4 is nearly more than 5.

[normiss 798]

22 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I’ll quote this again…because it’s true. “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” - Ben Franklin

I’ll add. You don’t deserve and you won’t get liberty or safety. No one is coming to save you. You’d better protect yourself.

"Well regulated"