Woke is a Joke

[winsor 236]

I like this guy's take.

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/why-i-am-not-a-progressive

Like him I grew up in a 'progressive' environment and over the years encountered nasty realities that refuted many of the tenets of 'diversity, equity and inclusion.'

Thus I have settled on a position of Equal Rights and Equal Responsibilities - No More and No Less.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[gowlerk 2,241]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Thus I have settled on a position of Equal Rights and Equal Responsibilities - No More and No Less.

You prescription is missing the "equal opportunities" component which is needed to make it functional.

[winsor 236]

13 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

You prescription is missing the "equal opportunities" component which is needed to make it functional.

I left out a pony and a puppy for everyone as well.

[kallend 2,099]

4 minutes ago, winsor said:

I left out a pony and a puppy for everyone as well.

Can I have a motorbike instead?

[gowlerk 2,241]

5 minutes ago, winsor said:

I left out a pony and a puppy for everyone as well.

The point is that we do not start out equal. Winsor Naugler the 3rd had some advantages at birth that not everyone has. 

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

The point is that we do not start out equal. Winsor Naugler the 3rd had some advantages at birth that not everyone has. 

If you're pining for everyone starting out on equal footing I think you're going to be disappointed.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

7 minutes ago, airdvr said:

If you're pining for everyone starting out on equal footing I think you're going to be disappointed.

So you do understand some people need extra help, you just don't care?

[gowlerk 2,241]

46 minutes ago, airdvr said:

If you're pining for everyone starting out on equal footing I think you're going to be disappointed.

Of course not. I'm "pining" for people to recognize that fact. A little more likely to have at least some degree of success. We can not lift everyone to the same level. And we don't want to. But we all will be better off if the efforts to do more are not so bitterly opposed by some of those who can only see those with less as undeserving.

[wmw999 2,514]

45 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

So you do understand some people need extra help, you just don't care?

He just wants to be able to judge if they're really worthy of the help. It's an old English-heritage tradition, differentiating the worthy poor from the unworthy poor.

Wendy P.

[billvon 3,058]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

If you're pining for everyone starting out on equal footing I think you're going to be disappointed.

No one starts on equal footing.  It is worthwhile to make today's extreme differences in opportunity . . . less extreme.

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

So you do understand some people need extra help, you just don't care?

Absolutely some people need extra help.  Tell me your plan.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

39 minutes ago, billvon said:

No one starts on equal footing.  It is worthwhile to make today's extreme differences in opportunity . . . less extreme.

Hi Bill,

Re:  No one starts on equal footing.

IMO where the Constitution says something about, 'All men are created equal' means at birth.  It's 10 seconds later where things change.

Jerry Baumchen

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Absolutely some people need extra help.  Tell me your plan.

Social safety nets for those unable to find employment, free education, paid healthcare including mental health, subsidized child care and higher taxation.

[airdvr 210]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

He just wants to be able to judge if they're really worthy of the help. It's an old English-heritage tradition, differentiating the worthy poor from the unworthy poor.

Wendy P.

Are you saying there's no help for the poor now?

http://federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html

I see a bit of help which is why I said that Woke and Captialism won't get along very well.

[gowlerk 2,241]

3 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

'All men are created equal' means at birth. 

No Jerry, it means at conception now.

[airdvr 210]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

Social safety nets for those unable to find employment, free education, paid healthcare including mental health, subsidized child care and higher taxation.

You must mean these.

http://federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, airdvr said:

You must mean these.

http://federalsafetynet.com/us-welfare-programs.html

Nope.

Can you explain to me how you apply for a tax credit when you are not able to work?

[billvon 3,058]

3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Are you saying there's no help for the poor now?

There is help for the poor now.  And yet the divide between rich and poor is still growing.  The extremes of opportunity are still growing.  That's a problem we need to solve.

 

[airdvr 210]

These days "able to work" has a fairly narrow description.  Do you mean physically or mentally unable?  Permanently unable or temporarily?

[airdvr 210]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

There is help for the poor now.  And yet the divide between rich and poor is still growing.  The extremes of opportunity are still growing.  That's a problem we need to solve.

 

I've always felt education is how you at least start to solve it.  And I'm not talking about being educated as to the trials of others.  I'm talking about K-12.

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

10 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

No Jerry, it means at conception now.

Hi Ken,

Now, that made me laugh.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,422]

6 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've always felt education is how you at least start to solve it.  And I'm not talking about being educated as to the trials of others.  I'm talking about K-12.

Hi airdvr,

Re:  I've always felt education is how you at least start to solve it.  I'm talking about K-12.

IMO anyone, here in the USA, who thinks that just a high school education will take care of your financial future, should ponder the thought a little more.

Unless, of course, that you are fortunate to possess the skills of Michael Jordan or Tom Brady.

Re:  I've always felt education is how you at least start to solve it.

I could not agree more.  This why I support free tuition at Community Colleges; just keep the GPA up.

Jerry Baumchen

[airdvr 210]

I get what you're saying.  My premise is educated individuals open the door to improvement and are less likely to need help.

The closest big city school system around here is Cleveland.  Graduation rate a tick over 75%.  1 in 4 has no high school diploma.  Good luck in a capitalist economy.

[wmw999 2,514]

6 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I get what you're saying.  My premise is educated individuals open the door to improvement and are less likely to need help.

The closest big city school system around here is Cleveland.  Graduation rate a tick over 75%.  1 in 4 has no high school diploma.  Good luck in a capitalist economy.

And maybe addressing some of the reasons why those kids aren't finishing high school (beyond just assuming they're worthless losers) will improve that, and improve their chances.

Wendy P.

[airdvr 210]

1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

And maybe addressing some of the reasons why those kids aren't finishing high school (beyond just assuming they're worthless losers) will improve that, and improve their chances.

Wendy P.

OK...what are those reasons?  I have my own ideas but I'd like to hear yours.