catfishhunter 2 #1 May 8, 2006 What sort of set up would this be? I haven't been in the sport long but don't think I have ever seen a rip cord on someones chest. Anyone got a pic of something like that? Just Curious MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 May 8, 2006 QuoteWhat sort of set up would this be? I haven't been in the sport long but don't think I have ever seen a rip cord on someones chest. What would you call the location of a ripcord on a main lift web, in relation to the body? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #3 May 8, 2006 It probably reefers to an old style front mounted reserve. The ripcord handles were on the front of those.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #4 May 8, 2006 >I haven't been in the sport long but don't think I have ever seen >a rip cord on someones chest. Often used on military gear. Usually main on the right, reserve on the left. Attached is a (bad) picture of such a rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #5 May 8, 2006 Ok yeah on a military Rig but do you have a pic of one for a student rig? Do DZ's use military rigs as student rigs? I am just asking so don't flame or be a smart ass The other thread the guy said he was a student and his was on his chest. It didn't sound right and was asking seperate fromt that thread(which BillVon sorta answered) MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #6 May 8, 2006 I've seen a few old rigs with chest mounted rip cords. Usually the lower right MLW. It's old time..way before my time to be sure. I've had to try and transition a couple of students from other DZ's that used chest mounted rip cords to BOC PC's. One guy was SURE he didn't need an instructor jumping with him on his first jump with a BOC PC. We didn’t give him an option. To his credit he found the PC, but he held onto the PC….so on the ground yet another 50 practice throws…"We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #7 May 8, 2006 Chest-mount ripcord SOS systems are used by some student operations, particularly those in Australia, where the patent holder resides. If you want more info, do a Search, they've been discussed a number of times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #8 May 8, 2006 QuoteIt's old time..way before my time to be sure. QuoteIn sport: 2 years Adventure Loft Briefcase harness/container systems are still in use here and there. I have a few in the attic set up for a ripcord inboard on the right main lift web (where cutaway handles are standard these days), SOS on the left main lift web. You can have one if you want. Jump Shack made a few rigs where the main ripcord was mounted on top of the cutaway handle on the right main lift web, on the theory that no student would try to pull both at the same time. Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #9 May 9, 2006 Go into Camera and photo forum and look in the "best Pic" thread there are a few pics with centre mounted chest rip cordsYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #10 May 9, 2006 QuoteWhat sort of set up would this be? I haven't been in the sport long but don't think I have ever seen a rip cord on someones chest. Anyone got a pic of something like that? Just Curious My student rig (Hartwood, VA 1990) was setup that way... SOS handle on the inboard left MLW, main ripcord w/ Martin-Baker handle outboard on the right MLW. Older setup, works just fine for its own setup, but most instructional sites are moving away from it because it REQUIRES significant practice to transition to BOC handle location. JW PS - I pack for a former US Army Golden Knight XO who has a conventional cutaway handle inboard, and a main ripcord outboard on his right MLW... He has the exact same setup on each of his 5 year old Javelins (custom order)... Its what he learned and does NOT want to change his procedures after all these years. And why should he?Always remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #11 May 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's old time..way before my time to be sure. QuoteIn sport: 2 years LOL!, I don't guess it would help if I said I've been jumping 3 years now! "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #12 May 9, 2006 That is a very old location. Back when I was a freefall student (1979) I jumped a military-surplus, 4-pin container with the main ripcord mounted on my right main lift web, at nipple level. I also wore a military-surplus, chest-mounted reserve with a ripcord on the right side. Did I ever tell you how much I HATE 4-pin ripcords? When gear like arrives in my loft, we have a good laugh and send it to the museum! Over the years, we have seen gradual evolution of student gear, to bring it in line with modern sport gear in an effort to reduce (what used to be a high rate of) fatalities during transition training. When we got rid of military-surplus gear, our students jumped piggybacks with main pilot chutes stuffed in belly-bands and SOS (all cutaway and reserve cables tied to one handle) on the left MLW. The next phase involved main pilot chutes stuffed into leg strap pockets and the final phase involved moving main pilot chutes to the bottom of the container (BOC). Along the way I have also worked with IAD and a bewildering array of static-lines. Finally, I have taught students with main ripcords mount on the right hip and BOC. After a long and complicated conversion, we have finally arrived at the current configuration of student handles which exactly matches that worn by sport jumpers: main BOC, cutaway handle on right MLW and reserve ripcord on left MLW. Anything else is antiquated and cumbersome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 May 9, 2006 Do DZ's use military rigs as student rigs? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few civilian schools use military-surplus HALO or HAHO (i.e. MT-1X) for larger students. The basic problem is that the Canadian and American Armies quit selling airworthy harnesses - to surplus stores - twenty or twenty five years ago. (Canadian) Crown Assets Disposal likes to cut harness and lines to render surplus parachutes unairworthy, reducing the risk of law suits. Ergo, airworthy HALO harnesses are very difficult to buy. For example, a few years back I saw some MT-1X harnesses in a surplus store in California. I would have had to replace the diagonal back straps (not a big deal for a Master Rigger like me) to make them airworthy,but since our school discourages students weighing more than 230 pounds, there was not much point. Similarly, I could have purchased MT-1X canopies from the surplus store, but would have had to re-line them, a $200 or $300 project. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwmontreal 0 #14 May 10, 2006 We used to use Strong student rigs that were almost exactly like the pic you posted bill. Kent----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------JUMP SAFE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #15 May 12, 2006 QuoteWhat sort of set up would this be? I haven't been in the sport long but don't think I have ever seen a rip cord on someones chest. Anyone got a pic of something like that? Oh, where's your reserve handle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #16 May 12, 2006 Quote main BOC, cutaway handle on right MLW and reserve ripcord on left MLW. Anything else is antiquated and cumbersome. I still like the SOS handle on student gear. BOC ripcord is fine, but nothing wrong with it on the outboard main lift web. The key to gear transition is training, training, and training, but it is okay to limit the amount of transitioning needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
