Moon Landing

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

Out of only 18 partial and full missions Apollo 1 killed its crew on the launch pad, and Apollo 13 came within a whisker of leaving its crew dead in space or burned up in the atmosphere.

The Space Shuttle, despite being an even more complicated vehicle and a programme that was seriously mismanaged in a number of ways, lost 2 crews in 135 missions. 

Nasa got to the moon in the 1960s because it was taking risks that wouldn't even be considered, let alone accepted, in the 1980s or today.

One interesting thing is that the Apollo 1 fire, Challenger explosion and Columbia reentry disintegration all had the same root cause:

Overconfidence. 
Refusing to believe that the problems they KNEW about would come back and bite them in the ass.

Apollo 1 was a piece of junk. Cobbled together, with some REALLY shoddy wiring. They knew (or should have known) that a spark was almost inevitable. And that a spark in the (unnecessary for that test) 100% oxygen atmosphere would be catastrophic.

Challenger was flown in weather conditions outside what was allowed. The engineers at Morton Thiokol TOLD NASA officials that it was too cold. 
And they flew anyway. 

NASA had seen insulation from the External Tank fall off and hit the shuttle a few times.
They KNEW it could damage the heat shielding tiles. In fact, they suspected it had done so on the Columbia, but chose not to look too closely. 

In all three cases, they chose to ignore clear indications of danger, thinking 'it can't happen'. 

[wmw999 2,444]

55 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

One interesting thing is that the Apollo 1 fire, Challenger explosion and Columbia reentry disintegration all had the same root cause:

Overconfidence. 
Refusing to believe that the problems they KNEW about would come back and bite them in the ass.

Apollo 1 was a piece of junk. Cobbled together, with some REALLY shoddy wiring. They knew (or should have known) that a spark was almost inevitable. And that a spark in the (unnecessary for that test) 100% oxygen atmosphere would be catastrophic.

Challenger was flown in weather conditions outside what was allowed. The engineers at Morton Thiokol TOLD NASA officials that it was too cold. 
And they flew anyway. 

NASA had seen insulation from the External Tank fall off and hit the shuttle a few times.
They KNEW it could damage the heat shielding tiles. In fact, they suspected it had done so on the Columbia, but chose not to look too closely. 

In all three cases, they chose to ignore clear indications of danger, thinking 'it can't happen'. 

Look at my tag line. It’s the truth. Just because something that should bite you hasn’t doesn’t mean you’re that good, or that it won’t bite you. You’ve been lucky is all

Wendy P 

[ryoder 1,590]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

In all three cases, they chose to ignore clear indications of danger, thinking 'it can't happen'. 

Mr Murphy doesn't like it when people ignore his Law.

[tkhayes 348]

On 10/12/2021 at 11:37 AM, RonD1120 said:

If they could fake this, what else could they fake?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Hj0CEjKuJ1lJ/

yeah, engineers and developers of the technology required to take a rocket and men to the moon were built by thousands of people and USED by those same engineers during the actual tests and missions over years.... and in the middle of the night, someone snuck into NASA and replaced all those custom built systems with simulation versions to fake a moon mission, guidance, landing, and literally hundreds of other systems needed, life support, navigation, electrical, all sensors, computers, guidance, 

And they did it SO WELL, that the actual people that built those systems were fooled by these replacement systems that faked everything.  no one noticed ANYTHING.

got it.

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, tkhayes said:

yeah, engineers and developers of the technology required to take a rocket and men to the moon were built by thousands of people and USED by those same engineers during the actual tests and missions over years.... and in the middle of the night, someone snuck into NASA and replaced all those custom built systems with simulation versions to fake a moon mission, guidance, landing, and literally hundreds of other systems needed, life support, navigation, electrical, all sensors, computers, guidance, 

And they did it SO WELL, that the actual people that built those systems were fooled by these replacement systems that faked everything.  no one noticed ANYTHING.

got it.

I think you have come to the same conclusion as these guys!

 

[RonD1120 62]

On 12/8/2023 at 11:59 AM, tkhayes said:

yeah, engineers and developers of the technology required to take a rocket and men to the moon were built by thousands of people and USED by those same engineers during the actual tests and missions over years.... and in the middle of the night, someone snuck into NASA and replaced all those custom built systems with simulation versions to fake a moon mission, guidance, landing, and literally hundreds of other systems needed, life support, navigation, electrical, all sensors, computers, guidance, 

And they did it SO WELL, that the actual people that built those systems were fooled by these replacement systems that faked everything.  no one noticed ANYTHING.

got it.

I totally agree.

[gowlerk 2,190]

5 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I totally agree.

Ron, your relationship with TK is just sooooo special.

[tkhayes 348]

18 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I totally agree.

yes of course you do.... because I made up a fantasy that cannot possibly be true.

And you have a propensity to believe in fantasies anyway, 

[RonD1120 62]

On 12/12/2023 at 8:33 AM, tkhayes said:

yes of course you do.... because I made up a fantasy that cannot possibly be true.

And you have a propensity to believe in fantasies anyway, 

LOL

Good one!

How about Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assasin?

[normiss 798]

Q-anon has entered the conversation.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

LOL

Good one!

How about Lee Harvey Oswald as the lone assasin?

And just like the 'fake moon landing", how do you explain that NOBODY has 'spilled' the  secret. 

The CIA couldn't keep their 'secret prisons' secret for very long.

[gowlerk 2,190]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And just like the 'fake moon landing", how do you explain that NOBODY has 'spilled' the  secret. 

No explanation is needed. It's a matter of faith don't you know?

[RonD1120 62]

I screwed up. I misread TK's post.

I believe the moon landing was real.

[gowlerk 2,190]

1 minute ago, RonD1120 said:

I screwed up. I misread TK's post.

I believe the moon landing was real.

Thanks Ron. Me too. The greatest adventure ever.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

No explanation is needed. It's a matter of faith don't you know?

Those fools have all sorts of 'explanations' and 'justifications' and 'proof' that it was fake. 
None of which stand up to genuine scrutiny, of course. 

Back in the late 90s, Fox Network did a 'special' allowing the conspiracy fantasists to spew their garbage without any criticism or counter argument.

A few years later, National Geographic Channel did the opposite. They let the idiots spout their idiocy and then had genuine experts follow the stupid crap, refuting the claims.

One of my favorite parts was where one of the 'deniers' tried to show that the lunar lander couldn't have actually landed on the moon because the rocket engine exhaust would have kicked up a huge cloud of dust.
He used a leaf blower to show what would happen. The leaf blower was powerful enough to move some small to medium sized rocks (fist size or so). He felt that was proof the the rocket exhaust would have done similar on the moon.

The experts then pointed out that there's a HUUUUUUUGE  difference between a jet in an atmosphere and a rocket in a vacuum. Because they aren't the same thing.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I screwed up. I misread TK's post.

I believe the moon landing was real.

Fair enough. Please explain what it was that you thought wasn't real.

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Thanks Ron. Me too. The greatest adventure ever.

Hi Ken,

That it was.  I was on the dz that Saturday afternoon when Armstrong said, 'The Eagle has landed, Tranquility Base here.'

For some reason that I do not know why, the radio was on.

And:  Man's greatest accomplishment is his ability to measure the vastness of space & the minuteness of the atom. *

Ponder that for a while.

Jerry Baumchen

*  To me, this is it absolutely.

 

[RonD1120 62]

On 12/13/2023 at 10:25 PM, JoeWeber said:

Fair enough. Please explain what it was that you thought wasn't real.

 

My interpretation of TK's post.