billvon 2,991 #51 April 21, 2006 >Wait, so if you cutaway... didn't you ride your reserve down?? Not if you don't use your reserve. I have 8-9 intentional cutaways, where I cut away one main parachute, then open another main parachute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFreefall383 0 #52 April 21, 2006 Quote>Wait, so if you cutaway... didn't you ride your reserve down?? Not if you don't use your reserve. I have 8-9 intentional cutaways, where I cut away one main parachute, then open another main parachute. This is where the noobs like me start smoking from the ears trying to figure out how exactly that works."If at first you don't succeed... well, so much for skydiving." - aviation cliche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skysmurf2 0 #53 April 21, 2006 2 in 40. Baglock on my 11th - was my 2nd freefall on RAPS progression. Second reserve ride: nothing wrong with my main, I just couldn't get the handle! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #54 April 21, 2006 I exit with a regular rig and an additional main on my belly (Derek built me a cool belly-mount container.) The harness has a large 3-ring, and both mains are on mini-risers attached to the harness rings. In other words, there are two sets of risers on one set of harness rings. I deploy the belly main first, while sitflying. It opens normally (although I do get to watch all the lines pay out!) Then I cut that main away by pulling out little handles on the risers (student ripcords work well for this.) Once I cut it away, I'm back in freefall with my normal main and reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFreefall383 0 #55 April 21, 2006 That's insanely weird. I think I can picture what you're saying though, which makes it all the more complex and freaky. I would imagine simple belly-flying would make it impossible to use such rigs?"If at first you don't succeed... well, so much for skydiving." - aviation cliche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #56 April 22, 2006 That's insanely weird. I think I can picture what you're saying though, which makes it all the more complex and freaky. <<<< Intentional cutaways require three parachutes. See?_________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFreefall383 0 #57 April 22, 2006 Indeed. And here I thought this was a relatively uncomplicated sport. So much for that. Oh well, more to aim for."If at first you don't succeed... well, so much for skydiving." - aviation cliche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #58 April 22, 2006 First malfunction: Brake mal on AFF 3, did not chop took high speed crosswind landing (almost into a hanger and tree) .. Not my pack job. Second Mal: Jump 58, line over spinning on back, resulted in reserve ride. .. Not my pack job. Third Mal: Jump 76, line over, I had pulled high and it wasnt spinning so I messed with it and somehow managed to clear it.. No chop. My pack job. Fourth Mal: Jump 94, step through, didnt like way canopy was performing, brakes didnt feel right / felt sloppy, resulted in reserve ride. My pack job. I'm on a role with no mals now FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeepDiver 0 #59 April 22, 2006 I was with two girls on vacation from Canada at Z-hills a couple weeks ago, both had 600+ jumps over ten years, no reserve rides to date for either of them. That's the club I want to be in. None so far for me. It's not an option in the poll. 0 for 61 jumps in a year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steviejb 0 #60 April 23, 2006 1st ride aff level 6 2nd ride jump 250 ish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mike111 0 #61 April 23, 2006 Neverhad end cell closure and line twists twice but otherwise im been lucky ....so far Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites efs4ever 3 #62 April 23, 2006 Eight total. Last one on a personal rig was January 7, 1995; my fourth. Four on tandems out of exactly 1200. Last one was February 5,2005 on DZ gear. Four on sport rig out of 2892. 4 17 82 tension knot 6 9 84 tension knot 1 10 87 tension knot 1 7 95 tension knot Tandems 3 25 2001 line over 4 20 2002 line over 11 29 2002 line over 2 5 2005 tension knot ___________________Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ripcord4 0 #63 April 23, 2006 Two mals total, both with rounds and rode down on a T7-A "twilly" reserve in 1962. Not too bad out of 46 years and 2,600+ jumps. No square mals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites leesamsiel 0 #64 April 23, 2006 Quote2 total reserve rides. 1st was around jump 700 and 2nd was around jump 1400. Considering I have over 2200 jumps, I guess I am due. Not really. That's not the way probability works. That would be like saying, "If I toss a penny nine times and it is heads, the 10th toss has a greater than 50% chance of being a tail." Not so. Each toss is an independent event probability-wise. Similarly each skydive is an independent event --- the canopy, jump plane, turbulent air you may be falling through, etc. do not know if you had a reserve ride previously (or how many). If: (1) you maintain your equipment well; (2) you're a careful packer; (3) you jump a canopy larger than a table cloth; and (4) you do not do crew, experts say you should have ~1 in 1,000 chance of having a malfunction on any given jump. That probability should be the same even if you just had a reserve ride.....or haven't had one for 2,000 jumps. On the other hand, it could very easily be argued if you have had several reserve rides in the past 100 jumps, you may be doing something wrong repeatedly when you pack your canopy....or there is something mechanically wrong with your rig. So with that history, the probability you will have another reserve ride soon is higher than 1/1000. LS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Malkie 0 #65 April 24, 2006 Averaging 1 in 10 so far. First on Jump5 doing my AFF level4. Second on Jump20. Looking forward to my next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #66 April 24, 2006 >I would imagine simple belly-flying would make it impossible to use such rigs? Well, I can fly on my belly. I just have to go into a sit to deploy the first canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #67 April 24, 2006 About jump 120 - tension knot on the Pegasus, Phantom reserve (At Grampa's Jumpfest Boogie in Albert Lea, MN - ?maybe 1988?) CrW wrap a couple years later - I was the 'wrappee' - fun jump, happened up high so plenty of time to look at it and play with it and see what's going on. Swift + reserve One high speed 2 years ago (knotted Pilot Chute) - Tempo reserve that's it, one of each plus an airplane crash in the sport ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sky15 0 #68 April 24, 2006 4 cutaways and reserve rides in 1550 jumps First around jump #200ish - spinning mal Second was a premature deployment while I was sit flying . About 5 or 6K on a solo bag just came up between my legs, lines wrapped around both ankles briefly. Got out of it, but main wasn't going to work..that was the FIRST jump of the day at an all day prepaid boogie bought for me. Third was a spinning mal/slider hangup due to just learning to propack and not asking a question when I was unsure as we were packing to leave the demo..always ask questions! On that cutaway I had opened with a friend at 7K to do some CRW, so I messed with it for a while but no luck. Last one was another spinning mal in the Cayman Islands at sunset. That was was a bad main, it had been having problems with opening since I got it and when I sent it back to the manufacturer they decided to cut the lines off it promptly and I ended up with a different canopy. No RSL's for any of them, but I did have a hard pull on my Reserve after delaying a bit to get stable the last time and got open very low. Didn't want to chop too high near the water, silly me. Edited to add: I also did a few trash bag jumps with a 3rd canopy and cutaway, what a hoot! Once did it with another doing the same, tried to do CRW but too hard, both cutaway simultaneously next to each other, went into freefall, did RW, then tracked and opened our real mains. Big fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites padalcek 9 #69 April 26, 2006 #786 - also my first save. don't rush pack jobs - even if they're just yours.Padalcek - CCO, HF-17 http://www.theflyinghellfish.com I'm not a real skydiver - but I do play one on dz.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GordonH 0 #70 April 26, 2006 None yet in ~1400 jumps (inc 100+ CRW). Keep wondering what it's like, and hope I'm ready when it does. Blue skies! Gordon Beware of advice from those with more posts than jumps ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MrFreefall383 0 #71 April 28, 2006 Quote>I would imagine simple belly-flying would make it impossible to use such rigs? Well, I can fly on my belly. I just have to go into a sit to deploy the first canopy. That seems pretty insane."If at first you don't succeed... well, so much for skydiving." - aviation cliche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #72 May 5, 2006 1st ride was on my 4th static line,T-10 @ Mae West, ripcord hit me in the face as it went by,my thumbs were still in the capewells,,,,,smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites christelsabine 1 #73 May 5, 2006 The very first jump after beeing licensed in Germany - I immediately went down to Switzerland, the ink in my log book was not even dry - my license not arrived yet by mail: I made 2 wonderful jumps out of a Super Puma helicopter and upon opening at 2nd, I just had a lot of crap over me in the sky, my head completely twisted to one side, impossible to move - (my sloppy pack job ), cut away, fine & quick reserve ride down - the rest is a too bad history, as the very experienced lady jumper, which was exititing before me was dead after I landed in a corn field. Low turn. No 2nd reserve ride after that one. But, I'm still at the beginning.... I'm not scared to face another one, simply trust in my equipment and my EP skills. (Hope so! ) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Mike111 0 #61 April 23, 2006 Neverhad end cell closure and line twists twice but otherwise im been lucky ....so far Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
efs4ever 3 #62 April 23, 2006 Eight total. Last one on a personal rig was January 7, 1995; my fourth. Four on tandems out of exactly 1200. Last one was February 5,2005 on DZ gear. Four on sport rig out of 2892. 4 17 82 tension knot 6 9 84 tension knot 1 10 87 tension knot 1 7 95 tension knot Tandems 3 25 2001 line over 4 20 2002 line over 11 29 2002 line over 2 5 2005 tension knot ___________________Russell M. Webb D 7014 Attorney at Law 713 385 5676 https://www.tdcparole.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcord4 0 #63 April 23, 2006 Two mals total, both with rounds and rode down on a T7-A "twilly" reserve in 1962. Not too bad out of 46 years and 2,600+ jumps. No square mals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leesamsiel 0 #64 April 23, 2006 Quote2 total reserve rides. 1st was around jump 700 and 2nd was around jump 1400. Considering I have over 2200 jumps, I guess I am due. Not really. That's not the way probability works. That would be like saying, "If I toss a penny nine times and it is heads, the 10th toss has a greater than 50% chance of being a tail." Not so. Each toss is an independent event probability-wise. Similarly each skydive is an independent event --- the canopy, jump plane, turbulent air you may be falling through, etc. do not know if you had a reserve ride previously (or how many). If: (1) you maintain your equipment well; (2) you're a careful packer; (3) you jump a canopy larger than a table cloth; and (4) you do not do crew, experts say you should have ~1 in 1,000 chance of having a malfunction on any given jump. That probability should be the same even if you just had a reserve ride.....or haven't had one for 2,000 jumps. On the other hand, it could very easily be argued if you have had several reserve rides in the past 100 jumps, you may be doing something wrong repeatedly when you pack your canopy....or there is something mechanically wrong with your rig. So with that history, the probability you will have another reserve ride soon is higher than 1/1000. LS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malkie 0 #65 April 24, 2006 Averaging 1 in 10 so far. First on Jump5 doing my AFF level4. Second on Jump20. Looking forward to my next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #66 April 24, 2006 >I would imagine simple belly-flying would make it impossible to use such rigs? Well, I can fly on my belly. I just have to go into a sit to deploy the first canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #67 April 24, 2006 About jump 120 - tension knot on the Pegasus, Phantom reserve (At Grampa's Jumpfest Boogie in Albert Lea, MN - ?maybe 1988?) CrW wrap a couple years later - I was the 'wrappee' - fun jump, happened up high so plenty of time to look at it and play with it and see what's going on. Swift + reserve One high speed 2 years ago (knotted Pilot Chute) - Tempo reserve that's it, one of each plus an airplane crash in the sport ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky15 0 #68 April 24, 2006 4 cutaways and reserve rides in 1550 jumps First around jump #200ish - spinning mal Second was a premature deployment while I was sit flying . About 5 or 6K on a solo bag just came up between my legs, lines wrapped around both ankles briefly. Got out of it, but main wasn't going to work..that was the FIRST jump of the day at an all day prepaid boogie bought for me. Third was a spinning mal/slider hangup due to just learning to propack and not asking a question when I was unsure as we were packing to leave the demo..always ask questions! On that cutaway I had opened with a friend at 7K to do some CRW, so I messed with it for a while but no luck. Last one was another spinning mal in the Cayman Islands at sunset. That was was a bad main, it had been having problems with opening since I got it and when I sent it back to the manufacturer they decided to cut the lines off it promptly and I ended up with a different canopy. No RSL's for any of them, but I did have a hard pull on my Reserve after delaying a bit to get stable the last time and got open very low. Didn't want to chop too high near the water, silly me. Edited to add: I also did a few trash bag jumps with a 3rd canopy and cutaway, what a hoot! Once did it with another doing the same, tried to do CRW but too hard, both cutaway simultaneously next to each other, went into freefall, did RW, then tracked and opened our real mains. Big fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
padalcek 9 #69 April 26, 2006 #786 - also my first save. don't rush pack jobs - even if they're just yours.Padalcek - CCO, HF-17 http://www.theflyinghellfish.com I'm not a real skydiver - but I do play one on dz.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GordonH 0 #70 April 26, 2006 None yet in ~1400 jumps (inc 100+ CRW). Keep wondering what it's like, and hope I'm ready when it does. Blue skies! Gordon Beware of advice from those with more posts than jumps ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFreefall383 0 #71 April 28, 2006 Quote>I would imagine simple belly-flying would make it impossible to use such rigs? Well, I can fly on my belly. I just have to go into a sit to deploy the first canopy. That seems pretty insane."If at first you don't succeed... well, so much for skydiving." - aviation cliche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #72 May 5, 2006 1st ride was on my 4th static line,T-10 @ Mae West, ripcord hit me in the face as it went by,my thumbs were still in the capewells,,,,,smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #73 May 5, 2006 The very first jump after beeing licensed in Germany - I immediately went down to Switzerland, the ink in my log book was not even dry - my license not arrived yet by mail: I made 2 wonderful jumps out of a Super Puma helicopter and upon opening at 2nd, I just had a lot of crap over me in the sky, my head completely twisted to one side, impossible to move - (my sloppy pack job ), cut away, fine & quick reserve ride down - the rest is a too bad history, as the very experienced lady jumper, which was exititing before me was dead after I landed in a corn field. Low turn. No 2nd reserve ride after that one. But, I'm still at the beginning.... I'm not scared to face another one, simply trust in my equipment and my EP skills. (Hope so! ) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
