JohnMitchell 16 #76 July 7, 2011 Awww, am I too late for the party? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #77 July 7, 2011 why was my name brought up man? WTF?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #78 July 7, 2011 Quotewhy was my name brought up man? WTF? You have to ask? SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #79 July 7, 2011 QuoteWe got a gift, big time. We owe the Conatsers a big thank you. They tried to make money.... Do you call up Papa John and thank him for making pizza?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #80 July 7, 2011 QuoteI could care less about cost. If the Jet costed $100 USD to jump, and it goes to $200 ... For a once in a while experience, I'll still proudly pay it. YOU would, but I am willing to bet that not everyone would.... For example, I have a bunch of Jet jumps (thanks Uncle Sam). This was a great idea... But the costs and paperwork made it a long shot. I seriously doubt the Jet will be back."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #81 July 8, 2011 Quote Quote I could care less about cost. If the Jet costed $100 USD to jump, and it goes to $200 ... For a once in a while experience, I'll still proudly pay it. YOU would, but I am willing to bet that not everyone would.... For example, I have a bunch of Jet jumps (thanks Uncle Sam). This was a great idea... But the costs and paperwork made it a long shot. I seriously doubt the Jet will be back. I wonder if they have all those pesky regulations if they were to set up a nice little aux DZ in say Cabo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #82 July 8, 2011 >Do you call up Papa John and thank him for making pizza? I think there's a little bit of difference between, say, a large franchise trying to maximize market share vs. Fury trying to start four 8-way teams and bring them to Nationals. Even if they both make money by doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #83 July 8, 2011 A business has to make money. There is a difference in product, but the basics are always the same."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #84 July 8, 2011 QuoteA business has to make money. There is a difference in product, but the basics are always the same. Either way it takes a lotta cheese! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #85 July 8, 2011 >There is a difference in product, but the basics are always the same. Are you really, honestly saying that you would be as grateful to Papa John's for delivering your pizza as a coach who went out of his way to make you a better skydiver? I think this is one of those "I said something on the Internet and now I'm going to defend it to the death" things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skinnay 0 #86 July 8, 2011 So wait, is the jet still in service? I was thinking about going out there sometime for that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lanceav8r 0 #87 July 8, 2011 The jet is not Airworthy and likely won't be due to a cost prohibitive AD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #89 July 8, 2011 QuoteAre you really, honestly saying that you would be as grateful to Papa John's for delivering your pizza as a coach who went out of his way to make you a better skydiver? Give a man a pizza, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to skydive and you feed him ramen for a lifetime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #90 July 8, 2011 QuoteAre you really, honestly saying that you would be as grateful to Papa John's for delivering your pizza as a coach who went out of his way to make you a better skydiver? Are you really honestly saying that you can't tell that both companies are *businesses* and that they both exist *to make money*? Neither is being altruistic. The Coansters didn't buy the jet to be nice, they did it to make money.... thanking them for trying to make money is the same as thanking Papa Johns for delivering a pie. This is not a difficult concept. Quote I think this is one of those "I said something on the Internet and now I'm going to defend it to the death" things. Exact same thing I am thinking about you here. I think the love of your "home DZ" is blinding you here so much that you can't/won't see facts..."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #91 July 8, 2011 QuoteQuoteAre you really, honestly saying that you would be as grateful to Papa John's for delivering your pizza as a coach who went out of his way to make you a better skydiver? Are you really honestly saying that you can't tell that both companies are *businesses* and that they both exist *to make money*? Neither is being altruistic. The Coansters didn't buy the jet to be nice, they did it to make money.... thanking them for trying to make money is the same as thanking Papa Johns for delivering a pie. If Perris was interested in maximizing their profit they would stick with the tried and true skydiving model of tandems and experienced jumpers. But they went waaay out on a limb with their venture to bring a jet to skydiving. Sure, they hoped to make money with it - there's no crime in that. But they spent a lot of money and assumed a lot of risk by purchasing and unpgrading that jet. They didn't have to do that. And in exchange for their willingness to take that huge risk, a lot of skydivers could get to make a unique jump that no one else offers on a regular basis anywhere else. For taking that risk to give others the opportunity to make a jet jump - heck yes, they deserve a big thank you. Just like regular drop zone owners. They run a risky business, always under threat of lawsuits from injured skydivers, tandem passengers and neighbors, operating aircraft that are very expensive to maintain and repair. And in exchange for assuming all that hassle, expense and risk - we get to jump for just $22. Heck yes, they deserve our thanks too. I'm very glad to give thank-you's to people willing to take on those kinds of risks, so that I can have my fun. The fact that they make a little profit has nothing to do with it. There are certainly easier and safer ways to make money than operating a drop zone. Thank you, drop zone owners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #92 July 8, 2011 >Are you really honestly saying that you can't tell that both companies are >*businesses* and that they both exist *to make money*? Nope. I'm saying that even though both are businesses, there are times where people do really nice things for you. And I suspect if someone went way above and beyond to help you through a tough spot in your skydiving career, you would be more thankful to them than to the guy who dropped off your pizza that night. Even if they both get paid. And I know you understand that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #93 July 8, 2011 See,,this is what drives me nutz about dz.com people,,,whats the AD ? How much to fix it ? Lack of detail but tons of commentary... smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #94 July 8, 2011 Quote The jet is not Airworthy and likely won't be due to a cost prohibitive AD. Makes you wonder how say Travolta keeps his jets in the air?Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #95 July 8, 2011 Quote Quote The jet is not Airworthy and likely won't be due to a cost prohibitive AD. Makes you wonder how say Travolta keeps his jets in the air? It's a lift, drag, thrust thing...but that's not important. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #96 July 8, 2011 QuoteNope. I'm saying that even though both are businesses, there are times where people do really nice things for you. And you think the Conasters bought a jet to "do a nice thing"???? QuoteAnd I suspect if someone went way above and beyond to help you through a tough spot in your skydiving career, you would be more thankful to them than to the guy who dropped off your pizza that night. Even if they both get paid. Again, your blind support of something is overshadowing your logic and common sense. They bought a plane to turn a profit.... Not to be nice. They didn't buy the plane to help you through a tough spot in your career... They did it because they thought they could make money in the deal. You know this, I just think you are too busy trying to defend your earlier position and you just like to argue. Have fun, your little game has gotten old."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #97 July 8, 2011 QuoteBut they went waaay out on a limb with their venture to bring a jet to skydiving. Sure, they hoped to make money with it - there's no crime in that. Enough said right there. They did it to make money... And there is no harm in that. They tried to bring in a unique product.... A great business move. QuoteBut they spent a lot of money and assumed a lot of risk by purchasing and unpgrading that jet. They didn't have to do that. So if Papa John had to sell his Camero to try and start making pizza's you would thank him for taking the risk to start a business? You know most food companies don't make it right? The simple fact is that Perris did something to try and have a unique aircraft... they did this as a BUSINESS decision, not some nice gesture. Make no mistake... If the Conasters knew how this jet deal would turn out before they did it... I very much doubt they would have done it. You are free to thank them.... But not thanking others that have done the SAME thing is a bit rude."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #98 July 8, 2011 Quote Thank you, drop zone owners! Everything JohnRich said so eloquently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #99 July 8, 2011 I've met you in person and know you're not that much of a jerk. So I will assume this is just your usual; have a nice weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #100 July 8, 2011 Quote [ Makes you wonder how say Travolta keeps his jets in the air? Uhhh, he's a rich mutha-futha? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
