ryoder 1,590 #1026 April 15, 2022 Not the greatest source, but fascinating if true: Daily Mail: Putin's defence minister Sergei Shoigu has had a 'massive heart attack not from natural causes' and TWENTY generals 'have been arrested' over bungled invasion 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1027 April 15, 2022 47 minutes ago, ryoder said: Not the greatest source, but fascinating if true: Daily Mail: Putin's defence minister Sergei Shoigu has had a 'massive heart attack not from natural causes' and TWENTY generals 'have been arrested' over bungled invasion Perhaps a better source, The New Yorker Its a similar story to what was reported on BBC. Arrests, suspicions about western spies insiders vanishing. Just a normal state of affairs when rats turn on each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1028 April 15, 2022 11 hours ago, ryoder said: Not the greatest source, but fascinating if true: Daily Mail: Putin's defence minister Sergei Shoigu has had a 'massive heart attack not from natural causes' and TWENTY generals 'have been arrested' over bungled invasion Speaking of possible heart attacks, Commander of Russian Black Sea fleet, Admiral Igor Osipov was likely onboard his flagship Moskva when she was hit. For the permanent record, would that count towards Ukraines score of Generals and Admirals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #1029 April 15, 2022 Before the war Russia’s military was widely considered the second best in the world, six weeks into the “special military operation” it has been revealed to be the second best military in Ukraine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1030 April 15, 2022 12 hours ago, ryoder said: Not the greatest source, but fascinating if true: Daily Mail: Putin's defence minister Sergei Shoigu has had a 'massive heart attack not from natural causes' and TWENTY generals 'have been arrested' over bungled invasion Russia has confirmed it was not an ammo explosion aboard the Moskva: "Russian strikes pounded a military factory near Kyiv that makes the missiles Ukraine claims it used to sink the Moskva naval flagship, with Moscow on Friday vowing further such attacks." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1031 April 15, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: Russia has confirmed it was not an ammo explosion aboard the Moskva: "Russian strikes pounded a military factory near Kyiv that makes the missiles Ukraine claims it used to sink the Moskva naval flagship, with Moscow on Friday vowing further such attacks." Immediately after the claimed Ukrainian attack. Russian warships in that area of the Black sea moved farther offshore according to US officials. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1032 April 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Immediately after the claimed Ukrainian attack. Russian warships in that area of the Black sea moved farther offshore according to US officials. From Fark.com: After Russia's Black Sea flagship accidentally caught fire, other war ships are moving away from the Ukrainian coast so that they don't accidentally catch fire too LOL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1033 April 15, 2022 26 minutes ago, ryoder said: From Fark.com: After Russia's Black Sea flagship accidentally caught fire, other war ships are moving away from the Ukrainian coast so that they don't accidentally catch fire too LOL! After the Moskva accidentally caught fire. Its captain, in accordance with his Kuznetsov Naval Academy training. Ordered the Moskva to submerge in order to put the fires out. The operation was entirely successful. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1034 April 15, 2022 This is a clip from "60 Minutes" from 2015. In the 2nd half it contains a brief tour of the Moskva which was providing anti-aircraft defense for Syria. But what I found more interesting, was that in the interview with the top Russian officer, he could not even conceal his contempt for Assad! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #1035 April 16, 2022 "Mayday, mayday, mayday. This is the Russian cruiser Moskva. We are sinking. WE ARE SINKING". "This is the Ukrainian coastguard. What are you sinking about?" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1036 April 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, obelixtim said: "Mayday, mayday, mayday. This is the Russian cruiser Moskva. We are sinking. WE ARE SINKING". "This is the Ukrainian coastguard. What are you sinking about?" I saw that posted on Twitter today. It took me a bit to remember the origin: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #1037 April 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, ryoder said: I saw that posted on Twitter today. It took me a bit to remember the origin: "First day on the job". I remember it from a way back. It was worth stealing for the current event. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #1038 April 16, 2022 15 hours ago, obelixtim said: "Mayday, mayday, mayday. This is the Russian cruiser Moskva. We are sinking. WE ARE SINKING". "This is the Ukrainian coastguard. What are you sinking about?" Hi Tim, The latest word from Putin is that the Moskva has been re-commissioned as a submarine. It is currently undergoing sea trials in the Black Sea. Jerry Baumchen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1039 April 16, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Tim, The latest word from Putin is that the Moskva has been re-commissioned as a submarine. It is currently undergoing sea trials in the Black Sea. Jerry Baumchen Resurrection A large group of Russian soldiers in the border area in 2022 are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a small hill: "One Ukrainian soldier is better than ten Russian". The Russian commander quickly orders 10 of his best men over the hill where Upon a gun-battle breaks out and continues for a few minutes, then silence. The voice once again calls out: "One Ukraine is better than one hundred Russians." Furious, the Russian commander sends his next best 100 troops over the hill and instantly a huge gun fight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again Silence. The calm Ukrainian voice calls out again: "One Ukraine is better than one thousand Russians: The enraged Russian commander musters 1000 fighters and sends them to the other side of the hill. Rifle fire, machine guns, grenades, rockets and cannon fire ring out as a terrible battle is fought... Then silence. Eventually one badly wounded Russian fighter crawls back over the hill and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men...it's a trap. There's two of them." Edited April 16, 2022 by Phil1111 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1041 April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, piisfish said: Early rumor control has it that the FSB arrested the commander of the Black Sea fleet Vice Admiral Igor Osipov. I can only assume the charge is Sailing in the Face of Bad Weather with Ammunition Aboard. What a gong show the Russian Military is. They really aren't any better than in WWII. At Prokhorovka, during the Battle of Kursk, they simply threw so many tanks at the battle they had to win even though their losses were horrible. Hopefully their nuclear arsenal is as competent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #1042 April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Early rumor control has it that the FSB arrested the commander of the Black Sea fleet Vice Admiral Igor Osipov. I can only assume the charge is Sailing in the Face of Bad Weather with Ammunition Aboard. What a gong show the Russian Military is. They really aren't any better than in WWII. At Prokhorovka, during the Battle of Kursk, they simply threw so many tanks at the battle they had to win even though their losses were horrible. Hopefully their nuclear arsenal is as competent. First reaction is to give the Generals/Admirals the chop. Strange how they claimed the ship was on fire, but moved their other vessels further from the coast. You'd wonder how they think their own people/supporters would swallow that BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1043 April 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, obelixtim said: First reaction is to give the Generals/Admirals the chop. Strange how they claimed the ship was on fire, but moved their other vessels further from the coast. You'd wonder how they think their own people/supporters would swallow that BS. Our morons here in the US will swallow anything, so I'm guessing yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #1044 April 17, 2022 That brave Russian missile cruiser successfully intercepted a pair of Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles. Russian airplanes bombed the Neptune factory to prevent a reapeat. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1045 April 17, 2022 2 hours ago, riggerrob said: That brave Russian missile cruiser successfully intercepted a pair of Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles. Russian airplanes bombed the Neptune factory to prevent a reapeat. Typical Russians. Closing the barn door after the horses get out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #1046 April 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Hopefully their nuclear arsenal is as competent. The one thing the Russians are successfully doing is slowly grinding Urainian cities and their civilian populations into the dust, which is also what nukes are for. Edited April 17, 2022 by jakee 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1047 April 17, 2022 Ukraine bags another one: Forbes: Another Russian General Has Been Killed In Ukraine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #1048 April 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ryoder said: Ukraine bags another one: Forbes: Another Russian General Has Been Killed In Ukraine The fear of every German general in WW 2 was a posting to the Russian front. Today the fear of every Russian general is a posting to the Ukrainian front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CID0IgNRWZ0 Edited April 17, 2022 by Phil1111 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1049 April 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: The fear of every German general in WW 2 was a posting to the Russian front. Today the fear of every Russian general is a posting to the Ukrainian front. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CID0IgNRWZ0 Interesting backgrounds on those actors: Werner "Col Klink" Klemperer: Father was Jewish, mother was Lutheran. Family moved from Germany to USA in 1933, when he was 13yo. He served in the US Army in WWII. John "Sgt Schultz" Banner: Born to Jewish parents in Austria-Hungary. Moved to USA in 1938 at 28yo. Served in US Army Air Forces in WWII and became an actual Sgt. But the most interesting of the cast was Robert "Corporal LeBeau" Clary, who was an actual Holocaust survivor:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Clary 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,720 #1050 April 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, ryoder said: Interesting backgrounds on those actors: Werner "Col Klink" Klemperer: Father was Jewish, mother was Lutheran. Family moved from Germany to USA in 1933, when he was 13yo. He served in the US Army in WWII. John "Sgt Schultz" Banner: Born to Jewish parents in Austria-Hungary. Moved to USA in 1938 at 28yo. Served in US Army Air Forces in WWII and became an actual Sgt. But the most interesting of the cast was Robert "Corporal LeBeau" Clary, who was an actual Holocaust survivor:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Clary These are the Russian Deployments as of April 15. It appears they're ready to attempt their pincer movement to trap the Ukrainians. Interestingly the Northern tank divisions are said to be equipped with T-80U Tanks (and variants). They are all, at best, 47 year old base designs excluding upgrades and, according to the internet, nothing special compared to older T-72's and newer T-90's. In the South I see only Motorized Rifle Regiments and Divisions, but who knows. Let's hope the Ukrainians once again turn the tables and the rout goes the other way. Source Data https://uawardata.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites