Abortion Commentary

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Clearly it is horrific that bringing these kind of charges is a thing. But there is something I noticed in reading the story linked. There is no mention whatsoever of any of them leading to convictions. Are they all still pending?

Hi Ken,

You know what I know.

Jerry Baumchen

[jaybird18c 24]

“There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion. Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.” - Dr. Omar Hamada (OB/GYN Physician, MBA)

I served with Dr. Hamada in the Army.

[billvon 2,991]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

“There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion. Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.” - Dr. Omar Hamada (OB/GYN Physician, MBA)

Selective reduction on a twin that has a nonsurvivable mutation.

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Selective reduction on a twin that has a nonsurvivable mutation.

C-Section.

[billvon 2,991]

5 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

C-Section.

Right.  Thus removing the doomed twin and killing it, which is abortion.

[jakee 1,489]

28 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

“There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion. Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.” - Dr. Omar Hamada (OB/GYN Physician, MBA)

I served with Dr. Hamada in the Army.

Do you think that has much relevance to the current abortion law battle in the USA?

[jaybird18c 24]

Selective reduction is usually done well prior to the third trimester. However, if you were to have two twins in the third trimester, one viable, the other not, and say the viable baby is having trouble because of the other, the answer is still a C-section. You’re not aborting the non-viable baby. It’s going to die no matter what. You’re giving the viable baby the best chance at survival.

Edited October 10, 2024 by jaybird18c

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Do you think that has much relevance to the current abortion law battle in the USA?

Do you think I give a shit whether or not you like my comment?

[jakee 1,489]

29 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Do you think I give a shit whether or not you like my comment?

You're really making it seem like you do.

But I didn't say anything about whether I liked it - I'm not really sure what that even means. I asked whether you think it's relevant to the current abortion law battle. Do you?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

34 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Selective reduction is usually done well prior to the third trimester. However, if you were to have two twins in the third trimester, one viable, the other not, and say the viable baby is having trouble because of the other, the answer is still a C-section. You’re not aborting the non-viable baby. It’s going to die no matter what. You’re giving the viable baby the best chance at survival.

How is that different from any abortion that is necessary to save the mothers life? 

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

How is that different from any abortion that is necessary to save the mother’s life? 

The life of the mother has always been priority.

Edited October 10, 2024 by jaybird18c

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

It’s not. The life of the mother has always been priority. 

Great. So were arguing definitions only but you support the idea of abortion with reservations?

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Great. So were arguing definitions only but you support the idea of abortion with reservations?

Well..it’s definitely an educated argument versus a non-educated one. Are you an OB/GYN Physician?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

3 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Well..it’s definitely an educated argument versus a non-educated one. Are you an OB/GYN Physician?

I am not, are you? 

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I am not, are you? 

My wife is.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

My wife is.

Super. Then maybe you could step aside, given that your are as admittedly incompetent to engage on the topic as you suppose I am, and let her continue here with authority. 

[jakee 1,489]

16 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

The life of the mother has always been priority....

You’re not aborting the non-viable baby. It’s going to die no matter what.

To be clear then, you do absolutely disagree with the overreach of anti-abortiona laws in states like Texas, Georgia, and others?

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

11 minutes ago, jakee said:

To be clear then, you do absolutely disagree with the overreach of anti-abortiona laws in states like Texas, Georgia, and others?

 

Please forgive my intercession but we both know an honest answer from Jay isn't on offer; it's actually humorous that he is playing a science card based on his wife's MD and not his religion based argument which is really what he believes. Just as ever he'll go away victorious in his own mind until several months from now when he tries again.

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

You’re not aborting the non-viable baby. It’s going to die no matter what. You’re giving the viable baby the best chance at survival.

Conservatives disagree.  You can go to jail for aborting the non-viable fetus.  Doesn't matter what happens to mother or other fetus.

Which is why maternal and infant deaths are increasing in conservative states.

[tkhayes 348]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

“There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion. Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.” - Dr. Omar Hamada (OB/GYN Physician, MBA)

I served with Dr. Hamada in the Army.

patently false.  FL's Ron DeSantis Threatened a TV Station Over This Abortion Ad (youtube.com)

[jaybird18c 24]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Please forgive my intercession but we both know an honest answer from Jay isn't on offer; it's actually humorous that he is playing a science card based on his wife's MD and not his religion based argument which is really what he believes. Just as ever he'll go away victorious in his own mind until several months from now when he tries again.

Try what again? Convince you of anything? With truth and common sense? I don’t think that’s possible. I only glance at this forum every once in a very long time to remind myself of what an utter ultra-leftist echo chamber shit hole it still is. I’m really not sure why people waste their lives in here. 

[jaybird18c 24]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

To be clear then, you do absolutely disagree with the overreach of anti-abortiona laws in states like Texas, Georgia, and others?

 

I think there is probably overreach in some places because they’re all trying to figure it out. However, I also think it is now rightly in the purview of the states and not the federal government. It’s going to be messy. But, if you want to kill a baby for reasons of convenience, you can always go to a state which allows it like Kalifornia. 

[tkhayes 348]

3 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I think there is probably overreach in some places because they’re all trying to figure it out. However, I also think it is now rightly in the purview of the states and not the federal government. It’s going to be messy. But, if you want to kill a baby for reasons of convenience, you can always go to a state which allows it like Kalifornia. 

That’s a lot of Word salad. Why don’t you tell us what you actually believe instead of dancing around it with fairytale rainbows and Stardust kind of answers.

You either believe that women have rights or you believe that women do not have rights…

And if you are truly in this belief structure that you are in because of your religious beliefs, but you are unwilling to admit that it is because of your religious beliefs, then you are a liar and a fake in the eyes of your own religion. I don’t know any religion that allows its membership to openly lie bare-faced to the public rather than just say what they actually believe.

 of course you could always say hey this isn’t my religious beliefs and here’s the actual reason why I believe abortion is wrong… But I doubt you can come up with a rational argument…. largely because any argument would be an admission that women do not have rights over their own bodies…

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

6 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

“There’s not a single fetal or maternal condition that requires third trimester abortion. Not one. Delivery, yes. Abortion, no.” - Dr. Omar Hamada (OB/GYN Physician, MBA)

I served with Dr. Hamada in the Army.

Wow. I thought you couldn't make a more ignorant and arrogant statement than 'there's a preponderance of evidence for the existence of God' (still waiting for a shred of that 'evidence').
But this tops it.
How about when the fetus dies in the 8th month. And the dead fetus starts to rot. And then sepsis sets in.
Should a doctor be able to remove the dead fetus?
 

5 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

The life of the mother has always been priority.

Bullshit. 

Because the statistics take time to compile, maternal deaths due to lack of ability to get an abortion haven't really shown up yet.
But they're starting to.

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death

It's become abundantly clear that it's about control of women's bodies. 

Not about 'saving babies'.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html

The fetus was doomed. No way for it to survive. 
The woman was in grave danger. 
But the state refused to let her get the care she needed.
 

[billvon 2,991]

5 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

But, if you want to kill a baby for reasons of convenience, you can always go to a state which allows it like Kalifornia. 

Or if you want to go to a state where they kill women and children by withholding care for religious reasons, you could go to Texas.