leapdog 0 #26 January 17, 2007 That sucks. I got my A license through that club. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THERatBoy 0 #27 January 17, 2007 i know from first hand by working with the club that is has been on the edge of closing for a few years now. we all now that we are the last club around and at this point we need t stand together and support whats left and what we can save. im not sure who we need to call or mail but as soon as i do i will post it. but at this point it might be hopless. i know for a fact that it was said it would take 100+ thousand to keep it up for one year. the present manager seems to differ. if he can prove it to the the big wigs we may stay open for a while. the closing of the club will not hurt raeford dz. its all we as soldiers have left and i will not let the soldiers be denied a sport such as this. i love this sport and will do what ever it takes to keep it in and around FT BRAGG the home of he airborne.... i know i have the support of the reaford parachute center and all in its community...any one thats thinks they can help support in any way e-mail me and i will forward it to the club manager... ratboykevin@aol.comlife is to short not to try almost everything once. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1972 0 #28 January 17, 2007 DAMMIT!!! That place has a lot of history behind it. The first thing that I noticed when I walked in there, was a sense many many skydivers had gotten their start with the club. I was bummed when they did away with the GB club and made it the 82nd sport parachute club. But this is really sad. I used to rent a rig for $30.00 for a WEEKEND! Not per jump, but I would pick the rig up Friday afternoon and return it Monday for thirty dollars. Greg, Arlo and Rat Boy helped me buy my first rig. Rat Boy put it together for a case of beer. It was alot of fun. At the time we were jumping at The Skydiving Place. I guess even the military clubs are being taken over by bean counters. It will be a sad day if the club gets shut down. The purpose of the MWR program is to help soldiers expand their minds and find something productive to do with their time. I guess the commander of the 82nd is trying to make his resume look a little better by saving the U.S. Army 15k a year..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #29 January 17, 2007 QuoteQuoteNO military Golf course makes money ANYWHERE in the world... and yet MILLIONS are spent to maintain them.. but ofc the General's use the Golf courses, and we all know that the Brass is the most important part of any military Everyone gets to use the golf courses, officers and enlisted men alike. And cheap recreation is one of the benefits they get in exchange for their piss-poor pay for serving their country. I don't begrudge them their golf courses one little bit. After being in harm's way to help keep you safe, they deserve to have someplace to relax. care to make a wager on % of participation by Officers vs Enlisted? Ive been to more than a few exercises that were front loaded by useless strap hanging brass who's sole REAL reason for being there was to play the local course and collect TDY money.. infact i've been chewed out more than once for 'modifying' my briefings to see who cared and was actually paying attention vs who were simply there for the 'beni's' so while your point is valid it doesnt come close to the reality. 'Officer' activities get FAR more attention and funding than those enjoyed by primarily grunts..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #30 January 17, 2007 QuoteI think when you apply a business model to what are supposed to be morale building activities, the soldiers lose out...and that's really sad. Why don't we start making the soldiers pay out of pocket for the numerous fitness centers on military installations while we're at it? "The beatings will continue until morale improves."we do have to pay to use the pool at my current installation... Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 January 17, 2007 Quotethe same thing happend to the royal marines parachute school in england where a general was told to cut back on cost he decided either the parachute school or the dragon boat team had to go. he no intrest in parachuting but with the dragon boat team he got a free trip to hong kong every year so the parachute club was closed ....because, after all, everyone knows that dragon-boating is a skill with clear potential military application... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #32 January 17, 2007 Quotewe do have to pay to use the pool at my current installation... That sickens me. When I was in the AF, I had full and unrestricted use of the pool, fitness centers and tennis courts without having to pay. But I've watched the things that keep service members active and entertained get pruned away gradually over the years. Larry, Ratboy and the rest, let me know if there's anything I can do to help.Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #33 January 17, 2007 I was just suggested to call Chris Needles and others of the USPA. I would ask others to call or email ASAP! Phone: (540) 604-9740 Fax: (540) 604-9741 Hours: 9- 5, Eastern Time CNeedels@uspa.org ========================== The Mid-Atlantic Regional Director is Ed Dixon eddixon@earthlink.net 4233 Byrnes Blvd. Florence, SC 29506 843) 615-2023Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #34 January 17, 2007 QuoteDAMMIT!!!..... I guess some commander of the Fort Bragg Sports Parachute Club (aka Green Beret/82nd combined) is trying to make his resume look a little better by saving the U.S. Army 15k a year..... fixed it for you, though I "believe" it to be the under takings of an upper management civilian official with ulterior motives... (this is my personal unofficial thought of course) But all this posting isn't doing anything! Don't think that someone else is going to call. Make a call, Be that someone. Never give up, Never quit!!!Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryno1972 0 #35 January 17, 2007 Who is the civilian??? Anyway, I am going to call some of these numbers that have been posted. Having that club shut down would be a huge loss to young skydivers. Maybe we should have a Boogie or something to "Save the GB parachute Club".glad to be here!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #36 January 17, 2007 Talk to Greg at the club... he will fill ya in...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #37 January 17, 2007 can we sticky this? At least for today?Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #38 January 17, 2007 BUMPLeroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #39 January 17, 2007 CNeedels@uspa.org ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #40 January 17, 2007 MWR ?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IFallFast 0 #41 January 17, 2007 QuoteI was just suggested to call Chris Needles and others of the USPA. I would ask others to call or email ASAP! Phone: (540) 604-9740 Fax: (540) 604-9741 Hours: 9- 5, Eastern Time govrelations@uspa.org Does someone have the direct email for Chris Needels? ========================== The Mid-Atlantic Regional Director is Ed Dixon eddixon@earthlink.net 4233 Byrnes Blvd. Florence, SC 29506 843) 615-2023 DO NOT WAIT!!!!! CALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN NOW!!!! THEY ARE TURNING IN THEIR EQUIPMENT THIS WEEK SOMETIME. THE DAY IT GETS TURNED IN, IT GETS DESTROYED, NOT STORED, NOT SOLD, NOT USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE DESTROYED. MOST CONGRESSMEN HAVE THEIR OWN SITE WITH NUMBERS TO CALL. CALL THEM NOW!!!!! I like Beans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #42 January 17, 2007 What is MWR? Army MWR exists because the U.S. Army is committed to the well-being of the community of people who serve and stand ready to defend the nation. Army MWR is a comprehensive network of support and leisure services designed to enhance the lives of soldiers (active, Reserve, and Guard), their families, civilian employees, military retirees and other eligible participants. Over 37,000 MWR employees worldwide strive to deliver the highest quality programs and services at each installation -- from family, child and youth programs to recreation, sports, entertainment, travel and leisure activities. Their mission is to serve the needs, interests and responsibilities of each individual in the Army community for as long as they are associated with the Army, no matter where they are. MWR contributes to the Army’s strength and readiness by offering services that reduce stress, build skills and self-confidence and foster strong esprit de corps. MWR services also help the Army attract and retain talented people. MWR is proof of the Army’s commitment to caring for the people who serve and stand ready to defend the nation. Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icevideot 0 #43 January 17, 2007 QuoteMWR ? I think it used to stand for Morale, Wellfare, and Recreation. Of course I was always in some swamp, desert, or jungle somewhere so I never really saw them do anything."... this ain't a Nerf world." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_girl 0 #44 January 17, 2007 http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ Go to this page and look up your state reps. It also gives links to other gov. sites....including white house. I'm calling now. When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevinmaurer 0 #45 January 17, 2007 I am working on a story about this for the Fayetteville Observer and would love to speak to some of you about this. Please contact me at: 910-486-3587 or via e-mail at maurerk@fayettevillenc.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_girl 0 #46 January 17, 2007 thanks kevin I knew calling you would help get the ball rolling. When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #47 January 17, 2007 The last place that I worked, hired a Super-Duper new CEO. He was supposed to be a cost-cutting management genius. A week after he was hired, he closed the fitness centers at all company sites. The concept of fitness centers could be proved in reduction of healthcare costs, both short-term and long-term. The intangible benefits were employee morale, better person networking, and company identity. People talked to each other in a non-stressful environment and got balance in their associations. Most of the benefits for healthcare are long-term, but most companies aren't interested in long-term employees. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zena 0 #48 January 17, 2007 Quoteim not sure who we need to call or mail but as soon as i do i will post it. but at this point it might be hopless. I hope it's not hopeless. It looks like people are starting to rally.... Maybe together we can save the GBSPA!!!! -Hopeful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EDYDO 0 #49 January 17, 2007 LeRoy (and others), Tony Thacker is still the Mid-Atlantic Regional Director until February second. That is when I take office. I am however kept appraised as to what USPA is doing. Ed Scott is on the case and he is as good as they get at what he does. Right now he is in contact with the leaders of the program. I am hopeful that something can be done, but not realistically encouraged. This is not an airport access or airspace issue, it is purely militarily political. One thing that I have not heard mentioned in this thread is that soldiers can learn to deal with their fears and learn to think under stressful conditions when learning to skydive. This seems to me to be a paramount issue when this objective can be achieved under controlled conditions and then the skill transferred to combat conditions. This training alone should be worth the pittance of expense when compared with other programs. Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites A_girl 0 #50 January 17, 2007 910-486-3587 or via e-mail at maurerk@fayettevillenc.com Ed contact this guy Kevin. He is with the Fayetteville Observer. I contacted him today, hoping if he did a story it would rally enough local support that Bragg would be forced to re-evaluate their decission to close the club. I will send your contact info to him alsoWhen choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
EDYDO 0 #49 January 17, 2007 LeRoy (and others), Tony Thacker is still the Mid-Atlantic Regional Director until February second. That is when I take office. I am however kept appraised as to what USPA is doing. Ed Scott is on the case and he is as good as they get at what he does. Right now he is in contact with the leaders of the program. I am hopeful that something can be done, but not realistically encouraged. This is not an airport access or airspace issue, it is purely militarily political. One thing that I have not heard mentioned in this thread is that soldiers can learn to deal with their fears and learn to think under stressful conditions when learning to skydive. This seems to me to be a paramount issue when this objective can be achieved under controlled conditions and then the skill transferred to combat conditions. This training alone should be worth the pittance of expense when compared with other programs. Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_girl 0 #50 January 17, 2007 910-486-3587 or via e-mail at maurerk@fayettevillenc.com Ed contact this guy Kevin. He is with the Fayetteville Observer. I contacted him today, hoping if he did a story it would rally enough local support that Bragg would be forced to re-evaluate their decission to close the club. I will send your contact info to him alsoWhen choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
