leroydb 0 #1 January 16, 2007 :-( Possibly the last Club in the Army/DOD to close...Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EDYDO 0 #2 January 16, 2007 LeRoy, What is the deal on that ??? Why ??? Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #3 January 16, 2007 Short answer? MWR runs it and doesn't feel it's profitable as a part of their business ventures.Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSkiesKel 0 #4 January 16, 2007 thats crap! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #5 January 16, 2007 Quotethats crap! Yeah - home of the airborne huh? Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSkiesKel 0 #6 January 16, 2007 MWR is supposed to boost morale.. not crush it!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #7 January 16, 2007 Re: [jumper03] Closing of the Green Beret/82nd(aka Fort Bragg) sports parachute club QuoteQuotethats crap! Yeah - home of the airborne huh? I hear undertones of some upper leadership issues (on the civilian side) and hidden agendas that most likely can not be solved without removing said skygod who dosen't jump anymore, but yet still knows EVERYTHING... This of course is 2nd hand information, but comes from multiple sources... Take it with a grain of salt It is sad that Fort bragg, Home of the Airborne, can't even support the parachute club. FYI, Fort Bragg recieved +/-40 $million. To support the club would only "unofficially" take 10-15k to keep their gear up-to-date, and other misc costs. Come on guys, Where is the, "Never leave a soldier behind" attitude? Where is the, "Never quit attitude?" Where are the creative thinkers and planners, 10-15k is a pebble in the midst of 40 million. Disclaimer: This is just my personal opinion: If I was CSM of the Army for a day, I say lets put a military [soldier]back in charge of the club. Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A_girl 0 #8 January 16, 2007 We need to start calling people out. I am a big fan of rocking the boat, I will call a friend at the news paper. If enough people start bitching about it and questioning where the money has gone (if MWR is hit with a spotlight) we should get some answers. I don't mind pissing people off, it seems to be what I do best.When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #9 January 16, 2007 QuoteMWR is supposed to boost morale.. not crush it!! Indeed, I agree 100%. Sounds to me that some Army personnel need to remind MWR whom they are actually working for. Of course, I don't know who else would run it. I'm sure the Army's not interested and no one would want AAFES or DECA to do it... So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McDuck 0 #10 January 16, 2007 I think when you apply a business model to what are supposed to be morale building activities, the soldiers lose out...and that's really sad. Why don't we start making the soldiers pay out of pocket for the numerous fitness centers on military installations while we're at it? "The beatings will continue until morale improves."Kevin - Sonic Beef #5 - OrFun #28 "I never take myself too seriously, 'cuz everybody know fat birds don't fly." - FLC Online communities: proof that people never mature much past high school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 January 16, 2007 It takes a real asshole to do this to everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wes. 0 #12 January 16, 2007 the same thing happend to the royal marines parachute school in england where a general was told to cut back on cost he decided either the parachute school or the dragon boat team had to go. he no intrest in parachuting but with the dragon boat team he got a free trip to hong kong every year so the parachute club was closedFalling from the top floor your lungs fill like parachutes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #13 January 16, 2007 Not to get off topic, but I really enjoy the camaraderie that military personnel share not only on national, but also multi-national level.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFKING 4 #14 January 16, 2007 Is closing the club going to hurt Raeford's attendance any ? Don"When in doubt I whip it out, I got me a rock-and-roll band. It's a free-for-all." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pararigger 0 #15 January 16, 2007 The club closing is a sad day. For it gave soldiers and their families deeply discounted rates for them to try skydiving. The club has trained so many people its a shame when the doors do finally shut. What I cant seem to understand is how they havent closed the numerous golf courses on fort bragg for they are losing money also. As a former volunteer instructor to the club it really bothers me they couldnt find another way to make the club work instead of closing it. It was the last standing club with in the DOD. Don, this will not hurt Reaford at all. Reaford trains a lot of military just for the fact that over the last few years MWR didnt want to spend the money for the club to advertise. Just another long list of MWR mis-management. Have you thanked the rigger that saved your life! IAD-I, AFF-I, Coach, MFFI566 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #16 January 16, 2007 We already pay "membership fees" to a few Gyms here at Campbell, the ones still open during the deployments of course. Hopefully the Army Vice Chief will listen to some concerns next time I see him, the fellows just gave me a new walking stick labeled "shit pot Stir", so I will give it a whirl. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #17 January 16, 2007 It won't hurt attendance at all. The club jumps at Raeford.Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #18 January 16, 2007 QuoteWe already pay "membership fees" to a few Gyms here at Campbell, the ones still open during the deployments of course. Hopefully the Army Vice Chief will listen to some concerns next time I see him, the fellows just gave me a new walking stick labeled "shit pot Stir", so I will give it a whirl. Matt Well, if you want to stir to save the GB club - you better stir quick. Equipment turn in happens this week. After that it is all over.Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmpnkramer 0 #19 January 16, 2007 Definitely Sad and B.S. I cannot believe that many things are going to the Way-Side. LeRoy PM me bro. Laters, K-MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .The REAL KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER! "HESITATION CAUSES DEATH!!!" "Be Slow to Fall into Friendship; but when Thou Art in, Continue Firm & Constant." - SOCRATES Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leroydb 0 #20 January 16, 2007 I say get everyone to call them in support. Ask to speak to the wana-be Skydiver in charge that has the hidden agenda. Fort Bragg Sports Parachute Club: 910-907-2369Leroy ..I knew I was an unwanted baby when I saw my bath toys were a toaster and a radio... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #21 January 16, 2007 QuoteWhat I cant seem to understand is how they havent closed the numerous golf courses on fort bragg for they are losing money also... NO military Golf course makes money ANYWHERE in the world... and yet MILLIONS are spent to maintain them.. but ofc the General's use the Golf courses, and we all know that the Brass is the most important part of any military ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #22 January 16, 2007 QuoteNO military Golf course makes money ANYWHERE in the world... and yet MILLIONS are spent to maintain them.. but ofc the General's use the Golf courses, and we all know that the Brass is the most important part of any military Everyone gets to use the golf courses, officers and enlisted men alike. And cheap recreation is one of the benefits they get in exchange for their piss-poor pay for serving their country. I don't begrudge them their golf courses one little bit. After being in harm's way to help keep you safe, they deserve to have someplace to relax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueSBDeath 2 #23 January 17, 2007 Sad Day indeed Airborne is on its way out, old techknology to drop a Division on the enemy, just bomb them back to the stone age is the new way of war. The British have already stopped standard Airborne operations, cost too much EFS, BSBD, Skydive Hard and Free!!! ArvelBSBD...........Its all about Respect, USPA#-7062, FB-2197, Outlaw 499 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #24 January 17, 2007 We actually got briefed on Future Airborne Operations the other day. (out here at Campbell of all places). BLUF (Army for - Bottom Line Up Front, go figure another fucken acronym) Airborne is staying. The DOD though it was not needed after WWII, then in Korea we used 'em, in Vietnam we used 'em, in Grenada we used 'em, in Panama we used' em and now in Iraq we used 'em. SO some 4 star said they stay because, after WWII we thought, well you get the point. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWATcop 0 #25 January 17, 2007 I was jumping with Skymonkey One last week and he told me the same thing. I was shocked. I don't know if I would have ever started skydiving if it wasn't for the GB Club. What a sad day.Kevin Muff Brother #4041 Team Dirty Sanchez #467 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
