Shipping Migrants

[Phil1111 1,149]

28 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Phil. We'll do it your way. 4.4 Million in the last year where Biden is Pres and Kamala is the "Border Czar."

IMO Biden is missing the boat on the immigration issue. No pun intended. As the numbers reach new highs the federal government should hire more judges and immigration lawyers. The federal government should increase resources to assist integration. Just turning them loose at the border is a mistake.

Annual U.S. border arrivals top 2 million, fueled by record migration from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

_IF_ you are eligible. Those that are not and remain or come back after being departed are _illegal_.

Very true.

Please show me some sort of indication that ANY  of the people shipped either by DeSantis or the Mayor of El Paso had been refused asylum and had either stayed or returned illegally.

[BIGUN 1,314]

1 minute ago, Phil1111 said:

The federal government should increase resources to assist integration. Just turning them loose at the border is a mistake.

Exactly. That's the issue. I don't think anyone on either side of the aisle here doesn't think we should take a more methodical approach to the problem. The states, the federal government, both sides of the aisle, should work together and implement a new "Ellis Island" approach rather than the playing of hot potato for years.  

IMO:

We should convert a BRAC base to a port of entry.

Ship everyone there for vetting, skills assessment, legal assistance, etc.  

Compile a list of states and the numbers they can accept,

Transfer them to those states with a hand-off to HHS for long-term pathways.

But, that's just one man's opinion.      

[BIGUN 1,314]

3 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Please show me some sort of indication that ANY  of the people shipped either by DeSantis or the Mayor of El Paso had been refused asylum and had either stayed or returned illegally.

Well, if that's the case, then why was shipping them there a problem?

[ryoder 1,590]

San Antonio Sheriff flat-out states they were here legally:

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1572004888678404098

 

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Well, if that's the case, then why was shipping them there a problem?

What kind of stupid fucking crystal maze mental gymnastics bullshit are you trying to pull here?

[Phil1111 1,149]

15 minutes ago, jakee said:

What kind of stupid fucking crystal maze mental gymnastics bullshit are you trying to pull here?

A little too much coffee this morning?

[BIGUN 1,314]

27 minutes ago, jakee said:

What kind of stupid fucking crystal maze mental gymnastics bullshit are you trying to pull here?

Sorry,  it was probably over your head. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Exactly. That's the issue. I don't think anyone on either side of the aisle here doesn't think we should take a more methodical approach to the problem. The states, the federal government, both sides of the aisle, should work together and implement a new "Ellis Island" approach rather than the playing of hot potato for years.  

IMO:

We should convert a BRAC base to a port of entry.

Ship everyone there for vetting, skills assessment, legal assistance, etc.  

Compile a list of states and the numbers they can accept,

Transfer them to those states with a hand-off to HHS for long-term pathways.

But, that's just one man's opinion.      

You think shipping them all to a camp and holding them there is the solution? Treating those who present themselves as refugees at the border (as they should according to your laws) and those caught crossing the border illegally exactly the same? Are you suggesting this is done at the northern border as well? What about those who are nude models and are flown here on "genius visas" and then use chain migration to bring the entire family over?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Well, if that's the case, then why was shipping them there a problem?

Because lying to people to get them to on a plane to another state is a problem. Using those with the least amount of power as a political pawn is a problem. Sorry you can't see that.

Same as using young soldiers as cannon fodder for political gain is a problem.

[airdvr 210]

I guess this way is better

 

[wmw999 2,447]

Having a centralized location where evaluation can be done is good. However, it would need enough manning to both house and process incoming in a reasonable (3 days to 1 week) time. Since our laws do not require a fixed destination for arriving refugees, I don’t think that forcibly holding them is legal.

Just as there are crazies in any population, there will be recalcitrant crazies among the incoming. I don’t believe the law allows sending someone back for being an asshole. So we have to apply the innocent until proven guilty standard.

But this kind of approach would allow a little more coordination, and would also give the incoming some minimal input. After all, if they already have family willing to take them in in (say) Holyoke MA, then that’s a logical destination.

Wendy P. 

[kallend 2,027]

56 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

 What about those who are nude models and are flown here on "genius visas" and then use chain migration to bring the entire family over?

I'm all  in favor of nude models, but it's yet another example of the law being applied differently for the wealthy.

[kallend 2,027]

Fact is, the immigration laws are badly broken and don't serve either immigrants or employers well.  Even GWB recognized this.  However, every attempt to fix the problem is torpedoed by the far right for purely political advantage.  The far right wants to have a problem to crow about.

[airdvr 210]

Point is most had no plan once they crossed.  Does it really matter that they were put on a plane or a bus and taken somewhere?

I'm trying to get in the mind of these folks.  If you already had people you were going to re-unite with would you get on a plane?  Probably not.

 

[DougH 270]

22 hours ago, airdvr said:

I don't understand why you all seem to have a problem with this.  Don't you want to open your homes to them?

Because first and foremost they are human beings, and they should be treated with dignity.

How you treat individuals is a completely separate issue from the broader legal and political issues around immigration. 

If someone can't understand that then they are a huge fucking pile of garbage.

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Sorry,  it was probably over your head. 

Given that you’ve already criticised someone else for not reading an earlier post, how often do you think it’s been made clear already in this thread that the objection to shipping migrants round the country under false pretences has nothing to do with their legal status? 
 

Here’s what didn’t go over my head. You said they were illegal. A bunch of people showed you were wrong. Instead of holding your hands up you pivoted to this bizarre “then what’s the problem” even though you know damn well that was never the problem. Just be fucking honest for once.

[gowlerk 2,192]

50 minutes ago, kallend said:

The far right wants to have a problem to crow about.

The far right wants to limit immigration to white people. Preferably ones that can speak 'Murican. You know, from non-shithole countries. 

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I guess this way is better

 

What would make you think that? 

[gowlerk 2,192]

48 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I'm trying to get in the mind of these folks.  If you already had people you were going to re-unite with would you get on a plane?  Probably not.

Would you like to be tricked and used by politicians? Probably not.

[DougH 270]

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

No one seems to give a shit that Texas border towns are over run with these folks and can't provide the services they need.

Facebook is filled with MAGA cult members who are only concerned that points were "scored". 

If these individuals were considered anything other than a political pawns then there would have been coordination with the government agencies and non-profits in the areas where they were dumped as part of the political stunt.

I am all in favor for sending these individuals up to my area in a coordinated manner, if the individuals are fully informed and willing to make the move, and there is coordination ahead of time so services can be arranged. Not what happened here, not by a long shot.

Edited September 20, 2022 by DougH

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Would you like to be tricked and used by politicians? Probably not.

You're so silly. He's a republican.

[ryoder 1,590]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

What about those who are nude models and are flown here on "genius visas" and then use chain migration to bring the entire family over?

That's different. Sometimes we need immigrants to do the jobs no Americans will do, e.g. sleeping with Trump.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

5 hours ago, airdvr said:

They're stranded anywhere they go.  That's the issue.  No one seems to give a shit that Texas border towns are over run with these folks and can't provide the services they need.

Maybe the Obamas will take them in.

Texas wanted to be on the border with Mexico and made no mention of a wall at the time. And now it's supposed to be my problem?

[gowlerk 2,192]

12 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Texas wanted to be on the border with Mexico and made no mention of a wall at the time. And now it's supposed to be my problem?

It's like buying a house beside an airport and then complaining about the noise. Those Texans just want to be able to visit Boy's Town in Nuevo Laredo for a good time, or whenever the power fails, and then shower the filth off when they get home.