Welfare Queens

[jakee 1,489]

NFL superstar and hundred-millionaire Brett Favre conspired with Republican politicians to steal $6M from a welfare fund designed to help the poorest families and children in the poorest state in the US and used it to build a volleyball court at his daughter's university. I wonder if the people who harped on for years about Obama-phones will be as incensed over Favre-courts.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/sep/14/brett-favre-welfare-scandal-mississippi-governor

At least he had some concern over what they were doing... because of how it might make him look. 

According to court documents, Favre texted Nancy New on 3 August 2017: “If you were to pay me is there anyway the media can find out where it came from and how much?”

 

Reminds of the ultimate welfare queen Elizabeth Windsor, a billionaire who received nearly a hundred million pounds a year from the government, whose private estate incurred no inheritance tax at all as it passed to the new billionaire king, and who secretly and successfully used her privileged government access to lobby to be personally exempted from various anti-money laundering company reporting requirements on the grounds that it would be embarrassing if people found out who she was in business with.

 

But poor people on food stamps, right? They're the greedy fuckers you've got to watch out for.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

The local morning radio guys have a weekly 'award' called 'Weenie of the Week'.
Guess who 'won' this week?

Despite being basically a 'god' for a long time in Wisconsin, Farve lost a LOT of his fans when he played for the Vikings.

This didn't help much.

https://www.wapl.com/2022/09/17/weenie-of-the-week-9-16-22-five-million-reasons-4-being-a-weenie-audio/

The text is good, but for the full effect, listen to the audio.

[gowlerk 2,190]

I always thought “Brett Favre” was a brand of shampoo. A bit of a sissy name.

[Phil1111 1,149]

12 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

This didn't help much....

NFL 'deliberately delayed probe into nude pictures sent by married Brett Favre to New York Jets hostess to minimize publicity for the star'

Football players are like movie stars. They come in all stripes with some being stars and some turds.

[kallend 2,026]

58 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

NFL 'deliberately delayed probe into nude pictures sent by married Brett Favre to New York Jets hostess to minimize publicity for the star'

Football players are like movie stars. They come in all stripes with some being stars and some turds.

Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne come to mind.  Movie personas quite different from reality.

[Phil1111 1,149]

Well the royals do have 18,000 plus hectares of land , castles and gardens to look after. Thats 45,000 plus acres for the rest of us. They do get nosebleeds looking down upon the peasantry from their ramparts.

[riggerrob 643]

On 9/18/2022 at 1:11 PM, Phil1111 said:

Well the royals do have 18,000 plus hectares of land , castles and gardens to look after. Thats 45,000 plus acres for the rest of us. They do get nosebleeds looking down upon the peasantry from their ramparts.

The Royal Family are still the largest land-owners in the British Isles. They can live comfortably on just the income from their numerous estates.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Interesting article.

Look at the level of press Brett Farve is getting for this.

Compare it with the level of press Michael Vick got for his dog fighting/abuse.
Or the level or press Colin Kaepernick got for kneeling.

Wonder why that is.

What could possibly be the difference between Farve & the other two?
Hmmm...

 

https://deadspin.com/the-media-needs-to-treat-brett-favre-like-it-did-michae-1849568848?utm_campaign=Deadspin&utm_content=1663875005&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3f3TgSF2AzIxTY-OL_YAqTkbn_H57e0hY01WhUEUjHjA7RbbxwRw7aXZc

[gowlerk 2,190]

7 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Interesting article.

Look at the level of press Brett Farve is getting for this.

Compare it with the level of press Michael Vick got for his dog fighting/abuse.
Or the level or press Colin Kaepernick got for kneeling.

Wonder why that is.

What could possibly be the difference between Farve & the other two?
Hmmm...

 

https://deadspin.com/the-media-needs-to-treat-brett-favre-like-it-did-michae-1849568848?utm_campaign=Deadspin&utm_content=1663875005&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3f3TgSF2AzIxTY-OL_YAqTkbn_H57e0hY01WhUEUjHjA7RbbxwRw7aXZc

Dog fighting and the kneeling thing are both things that push highly emotional buttons. Brett's sin is just typical influence peddling. Boring by comparison. But one thing is for sure. Favre's career is over now. It's pretty hard to measure the effect of race on the coverage and outrage. There were a few athletes of various shades who recently were shamed for being anti-vaxxers. Was there a colour line in the coverage of that?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

5 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Dog fighting and the kneeling thing are both things that push highly emotional buttons. Brett's sin is just typical influence peddling. Boring by comparison. But one thing is for sure. Favre's career is over now. It's pretty hard to measure the effect of race on the coverage and outrage. There were a few athletes of various shades who recently were shamed for being anti-vaxxers. Was there a colour line in the coverage of that?

Don't the right make a huge emotional issue about 'welfare queens'?
 

There are a couple on here who routinely vilify people who 'spend their whole lives collecting welfare' (which cannot happen any more).

Farve's football career was over a decade ago. 
He's kept a pretty low profile since then.

[gowlerk 2,190]

3 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Don't the right make a huge emotional issue about 'welfare queens'?

My wife has a niece who is a professional welfare queen. 5 kids, an unknown number of fathers, and no job for decades. Snow white as hell and a personality best described as bitchy. She is the black sheep of the family for sure. I'm guessing her kids are not going to do well in life either. She is not likely to age well.

[wmw999 2,444]

There’s a difference between being a welfare queen and “beating the system.” Partly color, and partly about the perceived need. If you actually needed the money, you’re a welfare queen. If you didn’t need the money, but want it anyway, you’re simply using your wiles and legal advisor to explore the legal edges. That’s OK — “everyone” aspires to have enough money to not actually need more, and no one wants to be so desperate as to actually need welfare. 
Much easier to “other” the welfare queen

Wendy P. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

My wife has a niece who is a professional welfare queen. 5 kids, an unknown number of fathers, and no job for decades. Snow white as hell and a personality best described as bitchy. She is the black sheep of the family for sure. I'm guessing her kids are not going to do well in life either. She is not likely to age well.

Not sure what the rules are in Canada for this, but here in the US, there were significant limits placed on it back in the 90s.

I don't know personally, but my understanding is that there are both work requirements and time limits (both situational and lifetime) for receiving benefits.

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Don't the right make a huge emotional issue about 'welfare queens'?
 

There are a couple on here who routinely vilify people who 'spend their whole lives collecting welfare' (which cannot happen any more).

Farve's football career was over a decade ago. 
He's kept a pretty low profile since then.

US conservative culture vilifies welfare recipients. So many conservatives will view Brett's conduct as no big deal. Just a part of the natural selection and survival of the fittest nature of America. On the flip side is that NFL quarterbacks are akin to British royalty.

Just look at Deshaun Watson. Habitual sexual predator. If he helps the Browns have a winning season. I know, I know control your belly splitting laughter. Its all good and forgotten.

[gowlerk 2,190]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Not sure what the rules are in Canada for this, but here in the US, there were significant limits placed on it back in the 90s.

I don't know personally, but my understanding is that there are both work requirements and time limits (both situational and lifetime) for receiving benefits.

If you have dependent children we will send you money to shelter and feed them. I remember the Clinton era reforms, but not the details.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

If you have dependent children we will send you money to shelter and feed them. I remember the Clinton era reforms, but not the details.

Will they provide funds until the kids are all 18?
That's how it used to be here. 
There were (a few) people who would have a kid every few years, so that they always had one or two under 18.
They were the ones vilified by the right.

I also don't remember all the details, but the reforms took the 'forever' concept away. Again, benefits limited to a couple years for each kid and also a lifetime limit (a bit longer, but not a whole lot).

[gowlerk 2,190]

2 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Will they provide funds until the kids are all 18?

It's complicated and how much can depend on where you live, but yes. There are several different programs at the federal and provincial level. All people with children get some level of support if they are working or not. After a certain income level it decreases. And it is taxable so it can be clawed back. Much like the refundable tax credit system that is now cancelled in the US. Like universal healthcare it is one of those things most western nations do that somehow the US can't afford.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

26 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

 Like universal healthcare it is one of those things most western nations do that somehow the US can't afford.

Pfft. It's not that we can't 'afford' it. 
Even at its height, welfare cost a tiny fraction of the defense budget.

It's that the right wing wanted to vilify and punish all the 'lazy welfare queens'.
And their kids.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Not sure what the rules are in Canada for this, but here in the US, there were significant limits placed on it back in the 90s.

Mostly in Canada as well. Though there are multiple forms of social assistance, some that are federal and some that are provincial. Employment Insurance (EI) is federal and pays if you are terminated without cause from employment. It only pays out if you have worked enough hours and is limited in duration.

Each province also has "welfare" for those who are not eligible or no longer eligible for EI. Most provinces also have term limits on eligibility. In most parts of the country "welfare" is nowhere near enough to live off. For instance, as a single parent with one child BC maximum welfare payment is $1,280 per month. Market rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in Vancouver is around $2,000 per month. So when you add the Canada Child Benefit of approx. $500 per month and the BC Family Benefit of $133 a month, you can maybe afford the rent.

Edited September 23, 2022 by SkyDekker

[gowlerk 2,190]

37 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

So when you add the Canada Child Benefit of approx. $500 per month and the BC Family Benefit of $133 a month, you can maybe afford the rent.

That's why you need to have 4 or 5 kids to be a pro. And then you get subsidized housing as well. And GST rebates. Then maybe a side hustle as well. No one is doing well on this, and you need to have your wits about you to access the programs.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

12 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

That's why you need to have 4 or 5 kids to be a pro. And then you get subsidized housing as well. And GST rebates. Then maybe a side hustle as well. No one is doing well on this, and you need to have your wits about you to access the programs.

Subsidized housing is very hard to get in most populous areas, specially for a family of 6 or 7.

Maximum monthly benefit for Canada Child Benefit is $5,375 per month. For that you would have to have 5 children under 6 years of age and 5 more children between 7 and 17....10 kids in total, and then you are going to ahve to keep having kids to not reduce that amount as children "age out".

Nobody lives a decent life on welfare and baby bonuses.

 

edited to add: for the above example you need an annual reported income of $10,000 or less. Social assistance payments are reported income, and will start reducing the amount.

Edited September 23, 2022 by SkyDekker

[gowlerk 2,190]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Nobody lives a decent life on welfare and baby bonuses.

All true. In Winnipeg housing is much more available and cheaper. And yes, even professional mothers have a career end with no pension plan. It won't be pretty.