gowlerk 2,200 #301 August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jaybird18c said: Ha! Ha! Good one. You so clever! How long did it take you to come up with that one? It came to me as soon as I read the words "gospel truth". Pretty obvious BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #302 August 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Trust is an emotion or a feeling. It is real but it is not and can never be a proof. Which is the source of your (and Ron's) confusion. You have developed your feelings to the point where you believe they are facts. So to you they are, but that is meaningless to the rest of us. I claim no answers and I know I will never have any. A fact that I can live with but some people can not. Trust is developed over time by someone demonstrating commitment to another. It is grounded in actions. God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. That is love in action. Dude. Are you married. Did you base your marriage solely on "feelings?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #303 August 28, 2023 Just now, gowlerk said: It came to me as soon as I read the words "gospel truth". Pretty obvious BS. Well good for you! You keep it up! Just stop eating crayons and licking windows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,200 #304 August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jaybird18c said: That is love in action. Dude. Are you married. Did you base your marriage solely on "feelings?" Yes, and yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,200 #305 August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jaybird18c said: Well good for you! You keep it up! Just stop eating crayons and licking windows. Sounds like a PA there. Are you beginning to need nap time? Getting a little cranky? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #306 August 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, gowlerk said: WTF does this even mean? Think about it. Are you saying you can't have reason to not believe something in the same way that you can have reason to believe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #307 August 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Yes, and yes. So what happens when that "feeling" isn't as strong or it goes away? Do you divorce when she no longer meets or cannot meet your needs...or are you committed enough to do the hard work and stay and continue to build the relationship? Feelings are flimsy. They're not the basis for anything. They're the icing on the cake for sure. However, they can drift and sway with the current. Good luck with that. I've been married for 28 years. The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand forever. Edited August 28, 2023 by jaybird18c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,200 #308 August 28, 2023 1 minute ago, jaybird18c said: Are you saying you can't have reason to not believe something in the same way that you can have reason to believe? Belief and unbelief are best grounded in evidence. I am an unbeliever because there is no reason to believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #309 August 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Sounds like a PA there. Are you beginning to need nap time? Getting a little cranky? Don't be so thin skinned. There shouldn't be any crying in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,200 #310 August 28, 2023 Just now, jaybird18c said: Don't be so thin skinned. There shouldn't be any crying in here. Dude, lol! As if any of your words no matter how poorly they express reality could affect me like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #311 August 28, 2023 Just now, gowlerk said: Dude, lol! As if any of your words no matter how poorly they express reality could affect me like that. You're the one crying "sounds like a PA there." Must have affected you a little. Thought that came to my mind when I saw that: Someone from "White Men Can't Jump" crying foul on the basketball court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,200 #312 August 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: You're the one crying "sounds like a PA there." Must have affected you a little. Thought that came to my mind when I saw that: Someone from "White Men Can't Jump" crying foul on the basketball court. Again you are confused. I am not upset about your PA. I am happy about it because it means you are getting frustrated at being behind in the count and on the losing end of the argument. Yes, I do like scoring cheap points on Dizzy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 480 #313 August 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: You're the one crying Interesting how you can interpret typed words on a screen as "crying". Projecting much? You're starting to look like that "very competent and stable" gun supporter who came here then pretty much lost his mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #314 August 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, olofscience said: Interesting how you can interpret typed words on a screen as "crying". Projecting much? You're starting to look like that "very competent and stable" gun supporter who came here then pretty much lost his mind. When you don't have facts you pound the table. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #315 August 29, 2023 2 hours ago, jaybird18c said: No it doesn't. Peter lied when he was asked if he knew Jesus to save his own skin. Then what happened. He and the other disciples were witness to the crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus even said that Peter would be responsible for founding his church. Then most of them were martyred because they would not deny what they knew to be true. That demonstrates trustworthiness! Well, most of the Branch Davidians believed that Koresh was the next Messiah. Most of them died (were martyred) for those beliefs. Does that mean Koresh was trustworthy? OTOH, many, many MANY child molestors are 'devout'. A lot of them are 'leaders' in the church. Youth pastors, Sunday school teachers, even ministers and priests. With all the current hatred towards the LGBTQ community, I've seen a bunch of "I'd rather have my kids hang out with Drag Queens than a Priest" mems out there. More than just a smidgeon of truth to that one. In the 'show me the evidence' department, this simple basic fact: So many 'men of God' are clearly scam artists and con men, sexual deviants and just plain awful people. The 'televangalists' are the worst, but not the only ones. Yet I see no indication that 'God' has a problem with this. You want me to believe in God? Explain why he allows these guys to continue pretending to represent Him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,722 #316 August 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: When you don't have facts you pound the table. I'd like it if Jay, or Ron for that matter, could offer any evidence that the Bible is true other than the bible itself or some other believer giving a speech on youtube. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #317 August 29, 2023 3 hours ago, jaybird18c said: No it doesn't. Peter lied when he was asked if he knew Jesus to save his own skin. Then what happened. He and the other disciples were witness to the crucifixion and resurrection. Jesus even said that Peter would be responsible for founding his church. Then most of them were martyred because they would not deny what they knew to be true. That demonstrates trustworthiness! Resurrection??? LOL A missing corpse proves nothing about a make believe afterlife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #318 August 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: I'd like it if Jay, or Ron for that matter, could offer any evidence that the Bible is true other than the bible itself or some other believer giving a speech on youtube. So you're saying that "miracles" doesn't do it for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,722 #319 August 29, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, normiss said: Resurrection??? LOL A missing corpse proves nothing about a make believe afterlife. At the time resurrections were somewhat common, the raising of Jairus' daughter for example. Then there was Matthew 27:52 and the opening of the tombs and the raising of the many holy dead who then, given there were no Ubers at the time, must have thumbed it into Jerusalem for snacks and fresh clothes before the celebration. Of course, even though there were notable historians like Flavius Josephus there at the time no mention of these miracles is recorded. Now isn't that odd? Edited August 29, 2023 by JoeWeber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,498 #320 August 29, 2023 8 hours ago, jaybird18c said: No it doesn't. Yes it does. Jesus had supposedly done numerous obvious miracles already but one of his closest companions gave him up to be killed. Plus, you did say ‘any’. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,498 #321 August 29, 2023 (edited) . Edited August 29, 2023 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,498 #322 August 29, 2023 8 hours ago, jaybird18c said: Dude. Are you married. Did you base your marriage solely on "feelings?" If you go around saying you’re married to someone who you say exists based only on your feelings, people are going to think you’re pretty fucking weird. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 480 #323 August 29, 2023 6 hours ago, JoeWeber said: I'd like it if Jay, or Ron for that matter, could offer any evidence that the Bible is true other than the bible itself or some other believer giving a speech on youtube. There is no archaeological evidence for ANY of the people in the New Testament except one: a single inscription of Pontius Pilate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,722 #324 August 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, olofscience said: There is no archaeological evidence for ANY of the people in the New Testament except one: a single inscription of Pontius Pilate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_stone The very competent jewish school of archeology could not when given free rein, when they controlled the Sinai, prove the Exodus or any other so called fact of the bible when they had every interest to do so. It never happened and they admit it. Still Jay and Ron refuse to accept their delusions. So it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #325 August 29, 2023 14 hours ago, jaybird18c said: I have no idea what you're talking about with "christian sharia laws." Then either you are really poorly informed, or lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
