Christians don’t believe in Democracy

[normiss 843]

10 hours ago, ryoder said:

And Philippians are those tubes a woman has tied when she doesn't want to get pregnant again.

God people won't allow her to tie those tubes though, she is a vessel.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

If a judge sentenced a one time shoplifter to life in prison because he or she hated all criminals that would be the epitome of malice and corruption, and would have nothing whatsoever to do with justice.

Hence, again, why the god you describe is utterly amoral and doesn’t give a shit about whether people do good things.

So why do you keep insisting that your god doesn’t commend it?

If I lied to someone on the street, not much would happen to me. If I lied to a police officer, I might be fined. If I lied to a judge, I might be put in jail. If I lied on my taxes, I will probably pay a heftier fine and spend a significant amount of time in prison. Same offense, different punishment. What changed? It has to do with against whom the crime was committed. God is infinitely holy. His law is perfect. Punishment for transgression is unimaginably extreme. None of this can be compared or put into human terms.

[jaybird18c 24]

20 minutes ago, jakee said:

If a judge sentenced a one time shoplifter to life in prison because he or she hated all criminals that would be the epitome of malice and corruption, and would have nothing whatsoever to do with justice.

Hence, again, why the god you describe is utterly amoral and doesn’t give a shit about whether people do good things.

So why do you keep insisting that your god doesn’t commend it?

I'm just saying that any good deeds the atheist does has no value regarding "justification."

[Phil1111 1,149]

7 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

... His law is perfect. Punishment for transgression is unimaginably extreme. None of this can be compared or put into human terms.

Islamic state was identical.

[jaybird18c 24]

22 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

So its hell or heaven with no in between.

Yet the rate of volunteering, charitable donations outside the church are not statistically higher than the general population.

Yet burning in hell is his destiny.

Apart from Christ, yes.

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

Islamic state was identical.

That seems like an extreme over-generalized comparison. How so?

[gowlerk 2,241]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

The believer does good because God has changed their nature and they're now willing to reflect his goodness.

God is an imaginary construct. There is no reason to believe otherwise other than a human need to have answers for what we can never know. Your dance of illogical beliefs is kind of cute in a simple way and you are welcome to them. But why do you feel the need to write about it here? Most likely you a trying to convince yourself by repeating the the fantasy to us and others. Those who are stronger in their faith don't feel this need. Good luck with your struggle to understand.  

Edited August 28, 2023 by gowlerk

[jaybird18c 24]

13 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

God is an imaginary construct. There is no reason to believe otherwise other than a human need to have answers for what we can never know. Your dance of illogical beliefs is kind of cute in a simple way and you are welcome to them. But why do you feel the need to write about it here? Most likely you a trying to convince yourself by repeating the the fantasy to us and others. Those who a stronger in their faith don't feel this need. Good luck with your struggle to understand.  

I feel the need to write my thought here for the same reason you feel the need to write your thoughts here. It's Speaker's Corner. It's free speech. You're free to not like it and disagree. So do I. I respect your opinion. I don't respect your sometimes unnecessary obnoxious condescention. But that's ok. Free speech. Right? It's a good thing. God Bless America! Your decision to try and account for what you've done before God when you die is your choice.

Here's what's interesting. You're spending all this time arguing against what you say is an imaginary construct.

Edited August 28, 2023 by jaybird18c

[jakee 1,556]

34 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

If I lied to someone on the street, not much would happen to me. If I lied to a police officer, I might be fined. If I lied to a judge, I might be put in jail. If I lied on my taxes, I will probably pay a heftier fine and spend a significant amount of time in prison. Same offense, different punishment. What changed? It has to do with against whom the crime was committed. God is infinitely holy. His law is perfect. Punishment for transgression is unimaginably extreme.

Errr, no, doesn’t work that way. You can lie to a police officer or a judge the same way you’d lie to anyone else (for instance, ‘no Dave, I didn’t sleep with your wife’) and face no greater consequences whatsoever. Again - if they used their position and importance to legally punish you for this lie it would be malicious, corrupt and have nothing whatsoever to do with justice. 

The fact that you think otherwise is, quite frankly, horrific and speaks to a staggering lack of basic civics knowledge.

39 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

None of this can be compared or put into human terms.

If you know you can’t possibly understand it, why are you trying to explain it?

[jakee 1,556]

32 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I'm just saying that any good deeds the atheist does has no value regarding "justification."

Yes, exactly. You’re saying god doesn’t give a shit if you do good things or not.

You don’t need to keep restating that you believe in an amoral god. We get it already.

Edited August 28, 2023 by jakee

[gowlerk 2,241]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I don't respect your sometimes unnecessary obnoxious condescention.

It's hard not to be condescending when discussing the core of this subject. I can choose to be condescending in the way we are to children who are young enough to believe in Santa, or I can be condescending in the way religious people are when they patiently explain to me that if I don't believe what they believe I will be tortured for eternity. Who is being more condescending than you? No one.

[jaybird18c 24]

19 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

It's hard not to be condescending when discussing the core of this subject. I can choose to be condescending in the way we are to children who are young enough to believe in Santa, or I can be condescending in the way religious people are when they patiently explain to me that if I don't believe what they believe I will be tortured for eternity. Who is being more condescending than you? No one.

I understand the lack of self-control and the propensity to pridefully look down on others who either disagree with you or don't in some way conform to what you think is right. It comes naturally with the fallen nature of man. God Bless America!

Edited August 28, 2023 by jaybird18c

[JoeWeber 2,807]

29 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I understand the lack of self-control and the propensity to pridefully look down on others who either disagree with you or don't in some way conform to what you think is right. It comes naturally with the fallen nature of man. God Bless America!

Of course you understand it, you do it and it is the single most irritating thing about the religious. For the most of us we don't give a damn about what you believe that makes your day go easier, we simply don't want it or the effects of it forced into our lives. And for damn sure we are tired of subsidizing it with tax breaks etc. And why stop at blessing America, is that as much as he can handle in a single blessing?

[gowlerk 2,241]

39 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

God Bless America!

God bless all of Creation.

[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Of course you understand it, you do it and it is the single most irritating thing about the religious. For the most of us we don't give a damn about what you believe that makes your day go easier, we simply don't want it or the effects of it forced into our lives. And for damn sure we are tired of subsidizing it with tax breaks etc. And why stop at blessing America, is that as much as he can handle in a single blessing?

I'm human just like you and neither of us has any right not to be offended by what we say.

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, gowlerk said:

God bless all of Creation.

Amen brother!

[gowlerk 2,241]

40 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

I understand the lack of self-control and the propensity to pridefully look down on others who either disagree with you or don't in some way conform to what you think is right.

Yes, I get it. It is my own fault that I find your message so irritating.

[jaybird18c 24]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

Yes, I get it. It is my own fault that I find your message so irritating.

Is it my fault that you're offended? Circumstances do not dictate your character. They reveal it.

[JoeWeber 2,807]

1 minute ago, jaybird18c said:

I'm human just like you and neither of us has any right not to be offended by what we say.

That's gobbledygook. We each have every right to be offended by what the other says. In this instance I truly do not want you to be offended. What I want is for you to be open to the idea that what you accept without evidence has no traction with the rest of us and should not under any pretext be forced into our lives. That's it,  plain and simple.

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

That's gobbledygook. We each have every right to be offended by what the other says. In this instance I truly do not want you to be offended. What I want is for you to be open to the idea that what you accept without evidence has no traction with the rest of us and should not under any pretext be forced into our lives. That's it,  plain and simple.

I don't think you correctly understood what I wrote.

[JoeWeber 2,807]

1 minute ago, jaybird18c said:

I don't think you correctly understood what I wrote.

If you like, but did you correctly understand what I wrote?

[jaybird18c 24]

Just now, JoeWeber said:

If you like, but did you correctly understand what I wrote?

In the same post, you began with saying "We each have every right to be offended by what the other says." I agree with this. But then you concluded with saying, regarding my opposing opinions on this subject, that they "should not under any pretext be forced into our lives." That is contradictory.

[normiss 843]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

unnecessary obnoxious condescension:.  "Your decision to try and account for what you've done before God when you die is your choice."

 

[jaybird18c 24]

2 minutes ago, normiss said:

 

How is it condescension to say it's your choice? That's kind of like agreeing to disagree, really.

Edited August 28, 2023 by jaybird18c

[normiss 843]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

How is it condescension to say it's your choice?

Because you insist on the implication of eternal torture because we don't believe your nonsense.

As I told a preacher that threatened me with eternal torture in a lake of fire "That's ok, I'm a good swimmer."

Absolute nonsense that not a single believer can ever explain, justify, or make sense of. You repeatedly continue to prove that here.