winsor 236 #26 November 23, 2022 1 minute ago, ryoder said: It is amazing that in the 21st century, we still have people so naive as to believe there is no such thing as: 1. Corrupt law enforcement. (Chicago PD Det Reynaldo Guevara framed 51 people for murder). 2. Corrupt prosecutors. 3. Charlatans posing as "forensic experts". (see "bite mark analysis" and "polygraph"). I couldn't agree more. We have a legal system, rather than a system of justice. Execution is a problem, since there is no way of which I am aware to handle it in an effective manner. Like it or not, there are some people whose sole benefit to society and the planet at large is their ability to push up daisies, the sooner the better. Having said that, tasking the legal system with sorting out quite who these people are is too much to ask. The number of people on death row who have been definitively cleared by such technologies as DNA analysis is substantial. OTOH, if it is deemed that an individual is too significant a threat to anyone around them to stay on the green side of the sod, euthanizing them in the most humane manner possible is advisable. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #27 November 25, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 9:19 AM, lippy said: What percentage of wrongful convictions being put to death is acceptable in your opinion? What about the 100% RIGHT ON convictions then??? Is it right then? This isn't about wrongful convictions, this is about capitol punishment, period. Rope is cheap and public hangings were a thing not so long ago...Stop being nice to bad people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timski 80 #28 November 25, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 10:19 PM, kallend said: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/21/1138357929/alabama-executions-pause-lethal-injection It's time to end this cruel farce once and for all. By using a proven technique??? I 100% agree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #29 November 25, 2022 49 minutes ago, timski said: What about the 100% RIGHT ON convictions then??? Is it right then? This isn't about wrongful convictions, this is about capitol punishment, period. Rope is cheap and public hangings were a thing not so long ago...Stop being nice to bad people. The point is that many "100% RIGHT ON" convictions have later been shown to be wrong. The judicial system will never be perfect, so if you keep capital punishment you are guaranteeing the continuation of state-sponsored murder of innocents. I can never support that. If you *must* keep it as a punishment, then it should be as humane as possible. A nitrogen chamber meets this requirement easily and cheaply. Choosing the remaining methods that have been shown to often be excruciating means you want revenge, not justice. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #30 November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, timski said: What about the 100% RIGHT ON convictions then??? Is it right then? If our justice system were perfect, or close to perfect, yes. It's not. Quote Stop being nice to bad people. Being bad is an insufficient reason for someone to be executed. Plenty of bad - but innocent - people have been executed over the years. It doesn't become OK just because you dislike them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,306 #31 November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, timski said: This isn't about wrongful convictions But, it is. Look at the number of people released by organizations like the Innocence Project. A permanent solution demands a perfect process. We don't have that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #32 November 25, 2022 7 hours ago, BIGUN said: But, it is. Look at the number of people released by organizations like the Innocence Project. A permanent solution demands a perfect process. We don't have that. One of the things that led to the moratorium on executions in Illinois in 2000 was the fact that there had been 12 executions since it was reinstated in the late 70s... And 13 exonerations by the Innocence Project. 9 hours ago, timski said: What about the 100% RIGHT ON convictions then??? Is it right then? This isn't about wrongful convictions, this is about capitol punishment, period. Rope is cheap and public hangings were a thing not so long ago...Stop being nice to bad people. You can't have a discussion on capitol punishment without bringing wrongful convictions into it. "Executing" an innocent person is... Murder. Just because it's state sanctioned doesn't reduce the severity of the crime. How about subjecting those involved in wrongful conviction to prosecution? Cops who coerce confessions? Cops who falsify evidence? Prosecutors who ignore or hide exculpatory evidence? Let THEM face murder charges. With the death penalty on the table. You could even expand that to the prison. Who actually killed the innocent man? Let the people who put in the IV lines and hooked up the 'lethal cocktail' see some consequences for their actions. I know, 'they were just following orders'. Right. Disclaimer: Much of this is snark & sarcasm. But I DO think the immunity police & prosecutors have goes way too far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #33 November 25, 2022 15 hours ago, timski said: What about the 100% RIGHT ON convictions then??? Is it right then? This isn't about wrongful convictions, this is about capitol punishment, period. Rope is cheap and public hangings were a thing not so long ago...Stop being nice to bad people. Hi tim, Re: Stop being nice to bad people. I do not consider life in prison with no chance of parole as being a 'nice' thing. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #34 November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi tim, Re: Stop being nice to bad people. I do not consider life in prison with no chance of parole as being a 'nice' thing. Jerry Baumchen Two weeks in prison that equals a life sentence guarantees no chance of parole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
