dontbounce 0 #1 February 23, 2006 Sorry for the 1 point question from the 2 jump chump. What happens if you flare too early? Too late? Thanks! Its a skill I will need in the next 10-12 hours, so your quick reply is much appreciated! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #2 February 23, 2006 Quote What happens if you flare too early? You stop too high before your feet touch the ground. QuoteToo late? The ground stops you, always...... Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #3 February 23, 2006 I get the flaring too late part. Been there, Done that You stop too high.... Then what, it is kind of impossible to "stop" until your sneakers are on the dirt, right? I can see that all motion could be stopped temporarily, (kind of hover action) but what happens then? Do you drop like a rock? Does your canopy slide to the front, or to the back? Does god smote you for being a fool? Thanks for the quick reply! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #4 February 23, 2006 QuoteYou stop too high.... Then what, it is kind of impossible to "stop" until your sneakers are on the dirt, right? I can see that all motion could be stopped temporarily, (kind of hover action) but what happens then? Do you drop like a rock? Does your canopy slide to the front, or to the back? Does god smote you for being a fool? On a large student canopy, if you hold the toggles you'll start to descend again, and your landing will probably be a little harder than planned. Prepare to PLF. If you let the toggles up quickly, the canopy will surge in front of you and you'll sure as hell land harder than planned. Your PLF better be damn good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot1 0 #5 February 23, 2006 If you stop too high, do not let the toggles back up as the canopy will dive. If the wind is up alittle and the canopy is large, you can stay in a flare and get ready to do a good PLF, or you can let off alittle bit and flare completely you get alittle closer to the ground. YMMV. Really, talk with your Instructors about this before you jump my friend. Be safe Edwww.WestCoastWingsuits.com www.PrecisionSkydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #6 February 23, 2006 Thanks guys! Good enough for me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chards 0 #7 February 23, 2006 Alternately, there is also the option of bringing the canopy to a complete stop and then, if the winds are high enough, being blown backwards to land heavily on your back...seen that one happen The guy in question got up unharmed and walked away, but I doubt he'll be doing any more 50ft flares on breezy days... ********************************* "I have done that," says my memory. "I cannot have done that," says my pride, and remains adamant. At last, memory yields. - Nietzsche Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #8 February 23, 2006 I hope .. I pray .. I beg you to talk to your instructors. Getting this type of advice on a forum is not wise. While all the above information may be correct, you will be prudent to inform your instructors of your desire to know more about the landing. If you ask all the right questions you could virtually get a 1st jump course from posters on this forum, however it is not adviseable. I'M NOT SAYING anything negative about those who responded to your question, but rather IMHO that type of question is best answered in person by YOUR instructors. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #9 February 24, 2006 QuoteSorry for the 1 point question from the 2 jump chump. What happens if you flare too early? Too late? Thanks! Its a skill I will need in the next 10-12 hours, so your quick reply is much appreciated! Also ask your instructors how to react in both situations. I've seen many students land very hard because they flared early and released the flare too quickly, causing them to dive forward and hit the ground. Your instructors will know the canopies you're flying and can give you specifics on how to handle them properly in these situations(flaring too high or too low). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #10 February 24, 2006 in my experience (which isn't much, but I've had more bad landings than good ones) if you flare too early, you fall on your face, and if you flare too late, you land on your ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #11 February 25, 2006 Quotein my experience (which isn't much, but I've had more bad landings than good ones) if you flare too early, you fall on your face, and if you flare too late, you land on your ass. ... alternatively, you can PLF...Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #12 February 25, 2006 So... ass, then face? -- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontbounce 0 #13 February 26, 2006 QuoteI hope .. I pray .. I beg you to talk to your instructors. Getting this type of advice on a forum is not wise. I agree. I did talk to my affi before I jumped again. He agreed with the knowledgable responses of the posters. If "joebob internet" with an "alleged" D license, and 18,000 jumps tells me to do X, and my AFFI tells me to do Y, I do Y. Period. ;) Thats good advice for the rest of you noobies like me too... FYI, My last jump, i flared a tiny bit too early, and popped back up a few feet. Instead of maintaining a full flare, I let up on the toggles just a tad thinking I would sink down a wee bit... Wrong. 4 jumps, 3 mouthfulls of dirt... I am learning how to time my flare, and I guess it is something you only learn with practice. Fortunately, the grass DZ in eloy doesn't taste too bad (as long as the wuffos dont let their dogs shit on it). Still nothing broken though, and I got down safe. Cheers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #14 February 26, 2006 "Popping back up" is not due to flaring too early, but rather hitting the brakes too deeply/abruptly when you still have significant forward drive. I found this article useful when I was just starting out. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=37NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenaswampjumper 0 #15 March 1, 2006 I am inexperienced....but what helped me......and the mistake that i made when i just broke my fibula was looking straight down, it was higher winds and i wasn't getting any drive......never ever look straight down.....i was told to always look out at a 45 degree angle...... till later have fun & love each other seeya mb65johnny gates.... In skydiving, the only thing that stops you is the ground.............. PMS# 472 Muff #3863 TPM#95 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twibbles 0 #16 March 1, 2006 QuoteI am inexperienced....but what helped me......and the mistake that i made when i just broke my fibula was looking straight down, it was higher winds and i wasn't getting any drive......never ever look straight down.....i was told to always look out at a 45 degree angle...... I was told something similar too. If i look straight down i'll get groundrush and think i'm a lot lower the I actually am. Was taught to look towards the horizon instread. Now thinking about it, i still land with my feet and knees together, and always thinking about the PLF i'll do if i mess up my landing. Been doing that since i tore up the ligaments in my ankle on my second jump. Hope your leg's better. Eugene . "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenaswampjumper 0 #17 March 2, 2006 sorry to hear that you hurt yourself.....but glad to know that I am not the only one to have made the mistake till later have fun & love each other seeya mb65johnny gates.... In skydiving, the only thing that stops you is the ground.............. PMS# 472 Muff #3863 TPM#95 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstime 0 #18 March 8, 2006 Quote Sorry for the 1 point question from the 2 jump chump. What happens if you flare too early? Too late? Thanks! Its a skill I will need in the next 10-12 hours, so your quick reply is much appreciated! Too Early: Biff in Too Late: Biff in I have broke doing both Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zipp0 1 #19 March 14, 2006 Dong SL course next month.... I take it the instructor will help with flare timing over the radio on the first jump? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Zipp0 1 #19 March 14, 2006 Dong SL course next month.... I take it the instructor will help with flare timing over the radio on the first jump? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
