kallend 2,027 #26 March 12, 2023 15 hours ago, gowlerk said: When tax cuts are given out to wealthy Americans, do politicians worry that those people will waste the money? Or do they just let the free market decide how the money will be spent. Gotta support the luxury yacht industry. Poor people are just undeserving, however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,317 #27 March 12, 2023 16 hours ago, Phil1111 said: You can't ram it down anybody's throat. I think that's a different thread. :) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
olofscience 480 #28 March 12, 2023 12 hours ago, gowlerk said: It sounds like a lot of people here are assuming the poor people are mostly all undeserving and low quality people drug addicts alcoholics not really deserving or really trustworthy. How will they massage their own ego otherwise? And yes, lots of leftists do it too. Which is why UBI will never succeed, unfortunately. Too many fucking egos at stake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #29 March 12, 2023 14 hours ago, billvon said: None of those programs are UBI. Everyone agrees with that. By the same token, assistance given is better than poverty-induced starvation or homelessness. But assistance is given now through a multitude of programs. I agree that some people need help from time to time to get back on their feet. To just throw more money at the problem seems like a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,722 #30 March 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, airdvr said: But assistance is given now through a multitude of programs. I agree that some people need help from time to time to get back on their feet. To just throw more money at the problem seems like a bad idea. But you aren’t saying anything. You could easily have said cutting food stamps is a bad idea. Why in your view is a UBI a bad idea? What would you do otherwise? Are the current suite of offerings too little or too much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,997 #31 March 12, 2023 4 hours ago, airdvr said: But assistance is given now through a multitude of programs. Of course. And you listed a tiny subset of programs there that provide direct and indirect assistance to people here in the US. Roads. Police. Military. ATC. The NTSB. Healthcare for veterans. Quote I agree that some people need help from time to time to get back on their feet. To just throw more money at the problem seems like a bad idea. Yeah, that's what I said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #32 March 13, 2023 I know the site went through an upgrade recently, but it would be nice if we had multiple options for 'liking' a post. The 'laugh' emoji would come in handy for the trolls. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #33 March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: I know the site went through an upgrade recently, but it would be nice if we had multiple options for 'liking' a post. The 'laugh' emoji would come in handy for the trolls. I'd prefer an animated eye-rolling emoji. Just sayin' Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #34 March 13, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, wmw999 said: I'd prefer an animated eye-rolling emoji. Just sayin' Wendy P. That would also be appropriate. I can think of a few others. On FB chat, there is 'love' (red heart), laugh, wow, cry, mad and 'thumb up' as standard responses. You can pick more, but you have to go find them. I'm just thinking of the standard ones for this. Edited March 13, 2023 by wolfriverjoe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #35 March 13, 2023 It's always been so simple but the game is rigged. Flat tax on everyone individual or business. remove the loopholes. 10%? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 March 13, 2023 A lot of comments miss what I think is an underlying fact of the concept of UBI, which is around lack of employment due to automation etc. Maybe there is enough of a shift towards other jobs and it won't lead to a net loss of jobs, but what if that is not the case. I think that is where the concept of UBI comes in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites