Germans wake up

[brenthutch 444]

Austrian alternative media AUF 1 reports via Telegram (emphasis added):

The current Forsa survey on the subject of the transition to green energies gives the German government a catastrophic report card. Almost 90 percent of Germans no longer believe in the so-called energy transition – a historically low figure. In a similar survey in 2011, almost 40 percent still hoped for its success. Among the few who are convinced is Chancellor Scholz. ‘We can and will succeed in the energy transition,’ he recently announced in Berlin.

German industry, on the other hand, is less confident, warning of a total exodus of the manufacturing sector due to the expected electricity shortage and enormous energy prices.”

AUF 1 reports here at its website that “only ten percent still believe that Germany’s energy needs can indeed be covered by sun and wind energy”.
 

I’m hoping it is just a matter of time before we do as well.

[Stumpy 284]

AUF1 is an Austrian far-right online channel promoting fake news and political conspiracy theories. The channel was founded in June 2021 by Stephan Magnet and has an audience in Austria and Germany. In 2022, the Austrian media authority Komm Austria [de] initiated proceedings against AUF1.[1]

From - Wikipedia.

Brent - I know critical thinking is not your strongpoint - but even you should have worked out in the last century or so that allying yourself with far right Austrians probably puts you on the wrong side of history.....
 

 

[brenthutch 444]

4 hours ago, Stumpy said:

AUF1 is an Austrian far-right online channel promoting fake news and political conspiracy theories. The channel was founded in June 2021 by Stephan Magnet and has an audience in Austria and Germany. In 2022, the Austrian media authority Komm Austria [de] initiated proceedings against AUF1.[1]

From - Wikipedia.

Brent - I know critical thinking is not your strongpoint - but even you should have worked out in the last century or so that allying yourself with far right Austrians probably puts you on the wrong side of history.....
 

 

How about the Guardian?

“Twenty years ago, Germany was called the sick man of Europe, owing to its high unemployment, weak domestic demand and slow GDP growth. Today, the country seems to have caught another disease – this time, because of its unrealistically ambitious energy policy. Recovery will be painful.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/25/germany-energy-policy-economic-failure-green-russian-gas

[Stumpy 284]

....Which says something entirely different to your initial premise. You really need to stop lying.

[lippy 918]

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

....Which says something entirely different to your initial premise. You really need to stop lying.

Yeah on his second or third shifting of meaning of his "EV's are losing value" thread I said it must be fascinating to live in his brain and he whined about personal attacks.  

[olofscience 480]

7 hours ago, Stumpy said:

....Which says something entirely different to your initial premise. You really need to stop lying.

You know I just realised, when Brent made the mistake of thinking that 4 months > 1 year in the EV thread, he possibly just didn't bother to read the WORD next to the number.

We've seen him not reading the first few sentences in his links before, so it looks like his reading ability is regressing even further, if that was even possible...

[wmw999 2,452]

Let's get back to playing the ball, not the player.

Wendy P.

[olofscience 480]

13 hours ago, brenthutch said:

How about the Guardian?

Well since I actually read the linked articles...

The Guardian piece is an opinion piece by Hans-Werner Sinn, a professor of economics at the University of Munich. He was president of the Ifo Institute for Economic Research and serves on the German economy ministry’s advisory council.

*His* opinion does not reflect the Guardian's official stance. The Guardian regularly publishes opinion pieces by various people, like Jacob Rees-Mogg for example, who couldn't be further from the Guardian's readership in political leaning.

 

Anyway, Hans-Werner doesn't really make a coherent argument. In one paragraph, he argues that "Electric cars exacerbate the seasonal buffering problem." Then in the same paragraph he says "...batteries in, say, electric cars will one day be able to smooth out short-term fluctuations in energy access..." He's taking two contradictory positions (electric cars both solve and worsen the problem) at the same time.

Then he makes a ridiculous argument that a more realistic possibility is hydrogen, but then walks back on this by saying electrolyzers need a smooth and stable supply of electricity (they don't). He displays a remarkable lack of understanding of the technologies involved, but then again he's an economist.

 

As for the far-right Austrian link, I'll pass on reading that.

 

[billvon 2,997]

3 hours ago, olofscience said:

Then he makes a ridiculous argument that a more realistic possibility is hydrogen, but then walks back on this by saying electrolyzers need a smooth and stable supply of electricity (they don't).

Exactly. 

A company I saw at Intersolar is now selling a two-container electrolyzer system intended for installation near large solar arrays.  When they have to curtail generation (say on cool, sunny mornings in May) the excess electricity goes straight to the electrolyzer.  All you need is water and power in, and the only exhaust is oxygen.

[olofscience 480]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

A company I saw at Intersolar is now selling a two-container electrolyzer system intended for installation near large solar arrays.  When they have to curtail generation (say on cool, sunny mornings in May) the excess electricity goes straight to the electrolyzer.  All you need is water and power in, and the only exhaust is oxygen.

Unfortunately, electrolysis of hydrogen from water is really inefficient. It's much more efficient to just charge a battery with an intermittent power supply (like solar or wind) then discharge smoothly. Again, Hans-Werner claims (without sources or proof) that achieving enough grid-scale battery storage is too far away, but in the same article claims that a much less efficient hydrogen process is more realistic. You'll need many more times the solar or wind capacity to store enough energy in hydrogen as opposed to batteries.

[billvon 2,997]

2 hours ago, olofscience said:

Unfortunately, electrolysis of hydrogen from water is really inefficient.

It is now over 80% for large systems.

Yes, if you have the battery storage, it's always better to store it that way.  If not, hydrogen is a pretty good option.

[kleggo 145]

On 4/5/2023 at 12:22 PM, brenthutch said:

 

I’m hoping it is just a matter of time before we do as well.

is there a way to put users on an "ignore" list?

[ryoder 1,590]

3 minutes ago, kleggo said:

is there a way to put users on an "ignore" list?

See the next-to-last item from the dropdown menu at upper right of page:

 

[gowlerk 2,200]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

See the next-to-last item from the dropdown menu at upper right of page:

 

This site should publish a count of users who are the most ignored Sort of an ignore-amous rating.