NPR Freaks Out

[wmw999 2,452]

 

22 minutes ago, Slim King said:

How will they make up for that with those electrified cars?

They'll find a way. They always do. I pay taxes for my PHEV. I do use gasoline, but not very much of it, because most of my driving is local.

Wendy P.

[billvon 2,997]

2 hours ago, Slim King said:

MORE TAXES!!!!! That's their only choice.... and now that electric car doesn't run so cheaply anymore.

It's cheaper for now.  And will be until EV's make up most of our vehicles.

[wmw999 2,452]

I would gladly pay more taxes to make up for the ones I'm missing. All those roads take support, along with the police you adore so much, the army, and all the other services most of us take for granted.

We have too much overhead right now, but that's a sign of organizational maturity and risk aversion, both of which have other qualities that are good in a government.

Wendy P.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

I would gladly pay more taxes to make up for the ones I'm missing. All those roads take support, along with the police you adore so much, the army, and all the other services most of us take for granted.

We have too much overhead right now, but that's a sign of organizational maturity and risk aversion, both of which have other qualities that are good in a government.

Wendy P.

Lots of places charge a 'wheel tax' that tacks onto the annual registration fee.

Personally, I pay $10 per year. That money goes to the city I live in.

Increasing registration fees (flat fee per car) is one way to get electric cars to  pay for road use. 

The 'nice' part about gas taxes is that it's a direct result of how much you drive (and the type of car you choose).

Big heavy trucks use more gas, pay more gas tax and do more damage to the roads.
Driving a lot is the same.

Personally, I use a very thirsty SUV for back and forth to work (I haul a bunch of stuff), but a far more efficient car in the summer, along with a very efficient motorcycle.

One way to tie the taxes to use would be a tax based on miles driven.

Self-reporting (odo reading each year with renewing registration) would address that.
Sure, there would be some cheating, but random checks could reduce it.
And cars are becoming both 'smart' and 'self aware', so having the car snitch to the state wouldn't be hard to make happen.

[ryoder 1,590]

35 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

 

The 'nice' part about gas taxes is that it's a direct result of how much you drive (and the type of car you choose).

Big heavy trucks use more gas, pay more gas tax and do more damage to the roads.
Driving a lot is the same.
 

The caveat is that road damage is related to the 4th power of weight: (W1/W2)^4.

So if Vehicle 1 weighs 5 tons, and Vehicle 2 weighs 1 ton: (5/1)^4 = 625.

i.e. the 5 ton vehicle does 625 times as much damage as the 1 ton vehicle.

Source: https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-trucks-do-our-roads

 

 

[brenthutch 444]

9 hours ago, billvon said:

It's cheaper for now.  And will be until EV's make up most of our vehicles.

And the taxes will be even higher because of the damage caused by the heavier EVs

[olofscience 480]

29 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

And the taxes will be even higher because of the damage caused by the heavier EVs

Funny, you were just cheering the "collapse" of lighter, non-SUV and non-pickup vehicles in the other thread.

On 3/31/2023 at 12:52 PM, brenthutch said:

Meanwhile, in the real world….
 

“In terms of overall numbers, though, the Detroit three’s full-size pickups still reigned supreme. The top three sellers were the Ford F-Series (653,957), the Chevrolet Silverado (520,936), and the Ram pickup family (468,344)”

 

Almost like your fake concern about heavy vehicles damaging roads is...bullshit.

[brenthutch 444]

2 minutes ago, olofscience said:

Funny, you were just cheering the "collapse" of lighter, non-SUV and non-pickup vehicles in the other thread.

 

Almost like your fake concern about heavy vehicles damaging roads is...bullshit.

And they pay for that by paying more in gas taxes, unlike EVs.

Ford F-150 4100lbs pays for roads via gas tax

Tesla Model X 4500+lbs freeloads and pays ZERO

I made sure to type slowly so you could keep up.

[normiss 801]

9 minutes ago, olofscience said:

Funny, you were just cheering the "collapse" of lighter, non-SUV and non-pickup vehicles in the other thread.

 

Almost like your fake concern about heavy vehicles damaging roads is...bullshit.

How Ram is still considered Detroit is beyond me. Fiat ain't American. Them's Eyetalian trucks now. as my dad would have said.

[olofscience 480]

20 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

And they pay for that by paying more in gas taxes, unlike EVs.

Which is, as usual, bullshit.

Quote

Many Americans believe that drivers pay the full cost of the roads they use through gas taxes and other user fees. That has never been true, and it is less true now than at any other point in modern times.

Like you can even keep up 

[brenthutch 444]

1 minute ago, olofscience said:

Which is, as usual, bullshit.

Like you can even keep up 

They pay more than EVs, wouldn’t you agree?

[olofscience 480]

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

They pay more than EVs, wouldn’t you agree?

The bullshit was you implying that only gas taxes pay for the road maintenance.

And the bullshit that you pretend to care about heavy vehicles damaging the roads.

Nice try trying to slime your way out of being called out of your bullshit, but it's not going to work.

Edited April 19, 2023 by olofscience

[brenthutch 444]

Never said gas tax was the only source of revenue for roads. Nice try.

[brenthutch 444]

“on NPR’s website, on the page detailing the organization’s funding, NPR spokesperson Isabel Lara said in an email to POLITICO, noting that the word “essential” is written in bold. “Federal funding is essential to public radio’s service to the American public and its continuation is critical for both stations and program producers, including NPR,” the website reads.”

[olofscience 480]

7 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Never said gas tax was the only source of revenue for roads. Nice try.

"implying"

Try to keep up.

[jakee 1,498]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

“on NPR’s website, on the page detailing the organization’s funding, NPR spokesperson Isabel Lara said in an email to POLITICO, noting that the word “essential” is written in bold. “Federal funding is essential to public radio’s service to the American public and its continuation is critical for both stations and program producers, including NPR,” the website reads.”

Cool - again though, even Elon Musk has admitted that he was wrong and NPR were right. Are you capable of doing the same?

[JerryBaumchen 1,365]

6 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Lots of places charge a 'wheel tax' that tacks onto the annual registration fee.

Personally, I pay $10 per year. That money goes to the city I live in.

Increasing registration fees (flat fee per car) is one way to get electric cars to  pay for road use. 

The 'nice' part about gas taxes is that it's a direct result of how much you drive (and the type of car you choose).

Big heavy trucks use more gas, pay more gas tax and do more damage to the roads.
Driving a lot is the same.

Personally, I use a very thirsty SUV for back and forth to work (I haul a bunch of stuff), but a far more efficient car in the summer, along with a very efficient motorcycle.

One way to tie the taxes to use would be a tax based on miles driven.

Self-reporting (odo reading each year with renewing registration) would address that.
Sure, there would be some cheating, but random checks could reduce it.
And cars are becoming both 'smart' and 'self aware', so having the car snitch to the state wouldn't be hard to make happen.

Hi Joe,

Re:  One way to tie the taxes to use would be a tax based on miles driven.

Oregon is looking into this now.

Jerry Baumchen

[billvon 2,997]

19 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Unless you have your own HUGE bank of solar panels charging your car, the electricity is most likely from coal or gas.

I do have a huge bank of solar panels charging my car.  It's not even hard.

And even if I didn't - most of our electricity comes from renewable sources.  Even our "gas" power down here is 30% hydrogen.  So the neighbors down the street from me who have EV's (but no solar) are recharging them from mostly renewable sources.

[olofscience 480]

2 hours ago, Slim King said:

Prove it.....

@billvon you should ask him to pay up $20 per square inch of solar panel you show him 

Edited April 20, 2023 by olofscience

[brenthutch 444]

20 hours ago, olofscience said:

"implying"

Try to keep up.

You not understanding 

[brenthutch 444]

17 hours ago, jakee said:

Cool - again though, even Elon Musk has admitted that he was wrong and NPR were right. Are you capable of doing the same?

Elon can speak for himself, I let NPR do the talking for me.

[brenthutch 444]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

I do have a huge bank of solar panels charging my car.  It's not even hard.

And even if I didn't - most of our electricity comes from renewable sources.  Even our "gas" power down here is 30% hydrogen.  So the neighbors down the street from me who have EV's (but no solar) are recharging them from mostly renewable sources.

And that is why your electricity is so expensive 

“PG&E customers pay about 80% more per kilowatt-hour than the national average, according to a study by the energy institute at UC Berkeley’s Haas Business School with the nonprofit think tank Next 10.”

[jakee 1,498]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Elon can speak for himself, I let NPR do the talking for me.

So again, what you described as NPRs ‘freak out’ has been accepted by everyone else involved (including Musk and Twitter) as NPR simply explaining Twitter’s mistake to them. 
 

This means you accept that they were entirely right and you were wrong, yes?

[brenthutch 444]

30 minutes ago, jakee said:

So again, what you described as NPRs ‘freak out’ has been accepted by everyone else involved (including Musk and Twitter) as NPR simply explaining Twitter’s mistake to them. 
 

This means you accept that they were entirely right and you were wrong, yes?

NPR was so freaked out that they quit Twitter 

[gowlerk 2,200]

NPR and APM have chosen to completely abandon Twitter. As I'm sure many individuals have done and will do. Elon has enough money that he can afford to toss it away. Good for him, bad for Twitter. It's possible to go broke without going woke.

Edited April 20, 2023 by gowlerk