Rough week for lefties

[lippy 918]

  On 7/4/2023 at 2:48 AM, brenthutch said:

Should a Jewish printer be compelled to print flyers for a Nazi rally?

 

Do you have a fucking clue what a 'protected group' is?  I know you're not that dumb so I got's to assume you're just straight up trolling.  Or is it just wishful thinking on your part that nazis make that list?

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 2:51 AM, lippy said:

I answered your hypothetical about Imam's performing a gay wedding with a direct question...."All of them" is a bs response.  A quick Googling would inform you that not all Imam's oppose same-sex weddings any more than all Priests/Pastors/Rabbis/Official Spaghetti-Monster Representatives do.  Your answer of "All of them" is just another demonstration of ignorance.

First of all you answered a question with another question. Second you asked me how many Imams I new…not how many are on a google search.  Try again 

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 2:53 AM, lippy said:

Do you have a fucking clue what a 'protected group' is?  I know you're not that dumb so I got's to assume you're just straight up trolling.  Or is it just wishful thinking on your part that nazis make that list?

Joe said group, not protected group.  You are either being lazy, tired or drunk, either way get some sleep.  The world has a big celebration tomorrow 

[normiss 818]

  On 7/4/2023 at 2:53 AM, lippy said:

Do you have a fucking clue what a 'protected group' is?  I know you're not that dumb so I got's to assume you're just straight up trolling.  Or is it just wishful thinking on your part that nazis make that list?

This is the "fuck your feelings" group. They have no objective other than to rile logical, sensical people into a frenzy. It's beyond fucking childishly boring and moronic. Thankfully, the majority of the planet understands that being, just that, and nothing more. Yawn.

The lawsuit against Harvard and the response of the Arizona political leadership are the sensical responses.

Arizona AG Kris Mayes:

“Despite today’s ruling, Arizona law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation, including discrimination because of sexual orientation and gender identity. “If any Arizonan believes that they have been the victim of discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), national origin, or ancestry in a place of public accommodation, they should file a complaint with my office. I will continue to enforce Arizona’s public accommodation law to its fullest extent.”

Also trust the next generation. The young ones coming into voting are not tolerant of this insanity. 

[lippy 918]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:02 AM, brenthutch said:

Joe said group, not protected group.

Because the relevant bit of the law has to do with what Joe posts on dz.co.....not worth the energy.  I'm sure as fuck not lazy, maybe a bit sleepy and I did have a beer with dinner.  Either way, arguing with you on the Interwebs makes about as much sense as trying to teach my cat to play piano.

[JoeWeber 2,769]

  On 7/4/2023 at 2:48 AM, brenthutch said:

Should a Jewish printer be compelled to print flyers for a Nazi rally?

 

Yes, and you should be compelled to turn in your AR-15's for smelting because they offend my religious sensibilities. What, you say? You've caused me no harm so I have no standing? Um, check recent USSC rulings. I must accommodate your AR-15's because you love them like family just like the women who stroll their yappy dogs in covered strollers do? So sorry Charlie, now first comes religion and second comes your supposed individual rights. Welcome to the world you yearned for.

[normiss 818]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:21 AM, lippy said:

Because the relevant bit of the law has to do with what Joe posts on dz.co.....not worth the energy.  I'm sure as fuck not lazy, maybe a bit sleepy and I did have a beer with dinner.  Either way, arguing with you on the Interwebs makes about as much sense as trying to teach my cat to play piano.

Get a Hemmingway cat, that might help.  

[billvon 3,031]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:18 AM, normiss said:

“Despite today’s ruling, Arizona law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation, including discrimination because of sexual orientation and gender identity. “If any Arizonan believes that they have been the victim of discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including sexual orientation and gender identity), national origin, or ancestry in a place of public accommodation, they should file a complaint with my office. I will continue to enforce Arizona’s public accommodation law to its fullest extent.”

But that's ACTUAL harm.  The new conservative legal standard is that imaginary harm trumps actual harm.  For example, if someone is fired for being black, a real white American might fear that they would lose THEIR job if the black was re-hired.  And those fears are what the courts now protect against.

[JoeWeber 2,769]

  On 7/4/2023 at 4:13 AM, billvon said:

But that's ACTUAL harm.  The new conservative legal standard is that imaginary harm trumps actual harm.  For example, if someone is fired for being black, a real white American might fear that they would lose THEIR job if the black was re-hired.  And those fears are what the courts now protect against.

That's the problem. Not your point, which is spot on, but the sad fact that our correspondents seem unable to grasp the actual problem.

No matter if you believe we are too or too little left or right if you cannot see that the USSC is acting like kids with the cookie jar while their parents are away you are not being honest.

 

[olofscience 487]

  On 7/4/2023 at 4:13 AM, billvon said:

The new conservative legal standard is that imaginary harm trumps actual harm.

This explains the imaginary leftie that lives in brent's head then

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:24 AM, JoeWeber said:

Yes, and you should be compelled to turn in your AR-15's for smelting because they offend my religious sensibilities. What, you say? You've caused me no harm so I have no standing? Um, check recent USSC rulings. I must accommodate your AR-15's because you love them like family just like the women who stroll their yappy dogs in covered strollers do? So sorry Charlie, now first comes religion and second comes your supposed individual rights. Welcome to the world you yearned for.

No Joe, you have it backwards, the SC protected individual rights and freedom of expression.  Using your AR-15 analogy….If a state passed a law requiring every household to own an AR-15 and owning a gun was against your religion, should you still be compelled to do so despite your deeply held religious beliefs? The SC said no, you shouldn’t have to. 
Moving on to Student Loan Forgiveness. This one isn’t even close. Even Nancy Pelosi said Biden couldn’t do it. The power of the purse resides in the legislative branch not the executive. If the Ds thought it was a good idea they could have done it when they controlled both chambers.  Loan forgiveness was just a cynical carrot to be dangled in the faces of the uninformed just prior to an election to buy votes with false hopes.

Moving on to Harvard’s systemic race based discrimination…do I even need to say more?  The SC upheld the ideals of MLK for a colorblind society, something the left used to support.

 

Edited July 4, 2023 by brenthutch

[wmw999 2,485]

  On 7/4/2023 at 12:38 PM, brenthutch said:

SC protected individual rights and freedom of expression

What about the individual rights and freedom of expression of the fictional website customer?

Wendy P.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

  On 7/4/2023 at 12:40 PM, wmw999 said:

What about the individual rights and freedom of expression of the fictional website customer?

Wendy P.

Ummm...

You do realize that this is the "Fuck Your Feelings" crowd, right?

THEIR feelings are all important and must be recognized and respected.
YOUR feelings are trivial, pointless and stupid. Fuck them.

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:35 AM, normiss said:

Get a Hemmingway cat, that might help.  

How about this one?
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=597233499186522&set=pcb.597234235853115

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 1:11 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

Ummm...

You do realize that this is the "Fuck Your Feelings" crowd, right?

THEIR feelings are all important and must be recognized and respected.
YOUR feelings are trivial, pointless and stupid. Fuck them.

If you guys focused a bid more on intellect and a bit less on emotion you wouldn’t get so butt-hurt when the world doesn’t revolve around your feels.

[jakee 1,535]

  On 7/4/2023 at 1:53 PM, brenthutch said:

If you guys focused a bid more on intellect and a bit less on emotion you wouldn’t get so butt-hurt when the world doesn’t revolve around your feels.

Are you still insisting that the current Supreme Court makeup was made possible by Harry Reid because it feels right to you?

 

Are you also not a supporter of the laws in Texas, Florida and elsewhere that forbid teaching accurate race relations history because some butt hurt white students might get their precious feelings hurt?

Edited July 4, 2023 by jakee

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:04 PM, jakee said:

Are you still insisting that the current Supreme Court makeup was made possible by Harry Reid because it feels right to you?

 

 

Facts don’t care about feelings 

https://rollcall.com/2020/10/15/if-you-dont-like-the-supreme-court-blame-harry-reid/

[SkyDekker 1,465]

  On 7/1/2023 at 2:25 AM, brenthutch said:

But a great week for freedom loving Americans as SCOTUS strikes a blow against racism and religious discrimination. 

The 303 decision shows how absolutely horrifically dysfunctional the American Justice system is and how SCOTUS, if not corrupt, is very ideologically driven.

You may agree with the decision, but the process it has taken and the facts around the case should make you very very worried for the system.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

  On 7/4/2023 at 1:53 PM, brenthutch said:

If you guys focused a bid more on intellect and a bit less on emotion you wouldn’t get so butt-hurt when the world doesn’t revolve around your feels.

Can you explain to me, with your intellect, why there are exclusions to the illegality of Affirmative Action? You are going on as if SCOTUS ruled Affirmative Action is illegal, but that isn't the case. They only ruled it is illegal for some schools.

[JoeWeber 2,769]

  On 7/4/2023 at 12:38 PM, brenthutch said:

No Joe, you have it backwards, the SC protected individual rights and freedom of expression.  Using your AR-15 analogy….If a state passed a law requiring every household to own an AR-15 and owning a gun was against your religion, should you still be compelled to do so despite your deeply held religious beliefs? The SC said no, you shouldn’t have to. 
Moving on to Student Loan Forgiveness. This one isn’t even close. Even Nancy Pelosi said Biden couldn’t do it. The power of the purse resides in the legislative branch not the executive. If the Ds thought it was a good idea they could have done it when they controlled both chambers.  Loan forgiveness was just a cynical carrot to be dangled in the faces of the uninformed just prior to an election to buy votes with false hopes.

Moving on to Harvard’s systemic race based discrimination…do I even need to say more?  The SC upheld the ideals of MLK for a colorblind society, something the left used to support.

 

The Supreme Court gave religious bigots a get out of jail free card. Now anything that offends one's religious sensibilities can trigger a legitimate denial of services. Anything.

Now, in the dystopian future the gun loonies pray for I don't doubt the idea of forced AR-15 ownership will be a fervent yearning. Nor do I doubt that our current Supreme Court could find a way to see reasonability in the proposition and rule in favor of it before the steam stops rising off their last turd, stare decisis be damned. And, as we now know, they'd be thrilled to do so even if the case was simply made up for the purpose.

I think you're right that student loan forgiveness was a vote grabbing scheme. I also think I might have posted so here along with my happy support of the plan; unlike some of my fellow liberals I am usually in favor of dirty fighting if that's what is needed to advance the cause. No matter, whether or not the justifications and legal basis for the scheme were thin, the Supreme Court made up standing where none existed just to make the ruling and that should bother everyone. 

Harvard are assholes. $53 Billion in the kitty with more flooding in daily in exchange for indulgences, they ought to have already come out stating they were only pretending to have fair admissions, now see the error in their ways, and were intending to support every kind of diversity as a core goal and for the betterment of the world we live in, hurt feelings be damned. But I'll guess you'd disagree.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:53 PM, SkyDekker said:

Can you explain to me, with your intellect, why there are exclusions to the illegality of Affirmative Action? You are going on as if SCOTUS ruled Affirmative Action is illegal, but that isn't the case. They only ruled it is illegal for some schools.

I was referring to Harvard’s system of discrimination based upon race.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

  On 7/4/2023 at 4:16 PM, brenthutch said:

I was referring to Harvard’s system of discrimination based upon race.

 

When you said:

"ending systemic race base discrimination?" you meant only at Harvard?

 

ok, sure.....

[jakee 1,535]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:14 PM, brenthutch said:

Facts don’t care about feelings 

https://rollcall.com/2020/10/15/if-you-dont-like-the-supreme-court-blame-harry-reid/

You remember that we've already covered how that article doesn't support your statement at all? That despite your feelings about Harry Reid, he did not make it possible for the Republicans to force through their SC Justice nominees? That the fact is the Republicans changed the rules?

You remember any of that at all, or are you too busy being butt hurt about whatever it is republican snowflakes are supposed to be scared of today?

Edited July 4, 2023 by jakee

[jakee 1,535]

  On 7/4/2023 at 3:31 PM, SkyDekker said:

The 303 decision shows how absolutely horrifically dysfunctional the American Justice system is and how SCOTUS, if not corrupt, is very ideologically driven.

But it also happens to be corrupt.

[brenthutch 444]

  On 7/4/2023 at 4:35 PM, SkyDekker said:

 

When you said:

"ending systemic race base discrimination?" you meant only at Harvard?

 

ok, sure.....

And North Carolina.
To be perfectly clear, I said “strikes a blow” not eliminated all together 

Edited July 4, 2023 by brenthutch

[ryoder 1,590]

  On 7/4/2023 at 12:40 PM, wmw999 said:

What about the individual rights and freedom of expression of the fictional website customer?

Wendy P.

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