Still in the Dark Ages

[JerryBaumchen 1,365]

Hi folks,

I, for sure, am no Bible expert.  However, I thought it begins with 'Let there be light.'  Yes/no?

Then, why is the Catholic Church still living in the Dark Ages:  Rose City Catholics Fight for LGBTQ Rights—and Start a War With Portland’s Archbishop (wweek.com)

As I like to say:  You can get on the train or you can get left at the station.

Jerry Baumchen

[gowlerk 2,200]

These people have enrolled their children in the school system controlled by the Catholic Church. What did they think would happen?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Catholic Church is a prime example of loudly proclaiming to be against something while actively being it. So many gay priests.

[JerryBaumchen 1,365]

Hi folks,

Looks like a grass-roots uprising; I would expect more in the future:  irate parents and teachers are swarming the board’s meetings

A school board's focus on CRT stirs backlash in Temecula schools - POLITICO

Jerry Baumchen

PS)   “Our schools are not ideological battlegrounds. They’re not platforms for religious evangelism. These are institutions for learning and growth.”

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by JerryBaumchen

[Coreece 190]

On 7/5/2023 at 2:44 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

I, for sure, am no Bible expert.  However, I thought it begins with 'Let there be light.'  Yes/no?

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

What else are you missing?

[Coreece 190]

On 7/5/2023 at 2:44 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

As I like to say:  You can get on the train or you can get left at the station.

Just like 80's hair bands. . .it's just a fade.  Tho in this case it's just another boogie man to garner votes from "minorities"

Edited July 11, 2023 by Coreece

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

What else are you missing?

What Genesis is missing is good science.

[gowlerk 2,200]

3 hours ago, Coreece said:

Just like 80's hair bands. . .it's just a fade.  Tho in this case it's just another boogie man to garner votes from "minorities"

If being gay is just a "fad" then the RC Church is a small flash in the pan.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

What Genesis is missing is good science.

It also depends on which translation you use. 

[winsor 236]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

What Genesis is missing is good science.

As my Rabbi pointed out, when asked whether Adam was 'created' knowing how to count, the significance of his age and so forth, "Bubbie, it's Bronze Age family lore - don't read too much into it."

Opinions apparently vary on the matter, but that seemed to sum it up.

[winsor 236]

53 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

It also depends on which translation you use. 

Translation?

[billvon 2,997]

9 hours ago, Coreece said:

Just like 80's hair bands. . .it's just a fade. 

Given that depictions of homosexuality and transgenderism go back to around 7000BC - I think it's pretty much here to stay.  It certainly predates the Bible and Christianity.

[olofscience 480]

27 minutes ago, billvon said:

Given that depictions of homosexuality and transgenderism go back to around 7000BC - I think it's pretty much here to stay.  It certainly predates the Bible and Christianity.

Given that homosexuality is observed in several species of animals, I'd say it's been around for a couple of million years at least. Probably around as long as animals have been around, which is around 500 million years.

Unless you count single-celled interactions (at least some protists are known to undergo meiosis) which extends that to about 1.5 billion years. A bit longer than the 6000 years than the creationists think the earth has been around for.

[Stumpy 284]

On 7/11/2023 at 7:12 PM, olofscience said:

creationists

Creationists are up there with genuine flat earthers as a special kind of stupid.
(I distinguish "Genuine" flat earthers here - I'm pretty sure most flat earthers MUST be taking the piss for shits and giggles)

Edited July 12, 2023 by Stumpy

[billvon 2,997]

41 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

Creationists are up there with genuine flat earthers as a special kind of stupid.
(I distinguish "Genuine" flat earthers here - I'm pretty sure most flat earthers MUST be taking the piss for shits and giggles)

I assume that belief is based on the thinking "almost no one can be that stupid."  

I assure you, they can be.  Look at the people who play the Lottery when they are broke so they can win and pay their bills.

[johnhking1 96]

This talk about the Bible got me thinking.  If God created the universe, where was he when he created it.  There must have been somewhere else he was hanging out.  Was he in his condo or on the beach with Snoop Dog drinking a Corona.  It says he created it in 6 days.  Well if there was no earth rotating on it's axis and revolving around the sun, how could there be any days.  It says after the 6 days, he rested on the 7th.  I know Saturday and Sunday are considered the weekend but the calendar has Sunday at the beginning of the week.  Who ever wrote the Bible must not have had an editor because a lot of other things don't make much sense either.

[riggerrob 643]

On 7/13/2023 at 10:01 AM, johnhking1 said:

This talk about the Bible got me thinking.  If God created the universe, where was he when he created it.  There must have been somewhere else he was hanging out.  Was he in his condo or on the beach with Snoop Dog drinking a Corona.  It says he created it in 6 days.  Well if there was no earth rotating on it's axis and revolving around the sun, how could there be any days.  It says after the 6 days, he rested on the 7th.  I know Saturday and Sunday are considered the weekend but the calendar has Sunday at the beginning of the week.  Who ever wrote the Bible must not have had an editor because a lot of other things don't make much sense either.

The Christian "New Testament" mainly quotes sermons that were originally spoken in the Aramaic language that was spoken in Palestine 2,000 years ago. Then some of the Bible was translated into Greek (the dominant language of scholars) then some was translated into Latin (precursor to modern Italian) then Wycliffe, etc. translated the Bible into English. Parts of meanings were lost every time the Bible was translated. Then Wycliffe staff translated the Bible into hundreds of little-known languages ... and the process continues ....

[riggerrob 643]

On 7/11/2023 at 1:22 AM, Coreece said:

Just like 80's hair bands. . .it's just a fade.  Tho in this case it's just another boogie man to garner votes from "minorities"

You are quoting Canadian Professor Jordan Peterson (clinical psychologist) in that he perceives the current fad for trans-gender surgery to be a fad. A fad like teenagers cutting their own skin .... a fad the Salem Witch Hunts ... a fad like another dozen religious crusades .... a fad like a variety of religious jihads ... a fad like the Flat Earth Society ... a fad like disco music ....

[JerryBaumchen 1,365]

21 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

You are quoting Canadian Professor Jordan Peterson (clinical psychologist) in that he perceives the current fad for trans-gender surgery to be a fad. A fad like teenagers cutting their own skin .... a fad the Salem Witch Hunts ... a fad like another dozen religious crusades .... a fad like a variety of religious jihads ... a fad like the Flat Earth Society ... a fad like disco music ....

Hi Rob,

And  being gay is just a fad.  No sweat, it will pass soon.

BULLSHIT!

Jerry Baumchen

[SkyDekker 1,465]

40 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Rob,

And  being gay is just a fad.  No sweat, it will pass soon.

BULLSHIT!

Jerry Baumchen

What isn't a fad is Christian clergy grooming and abusing kids:

https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/crimes_court/former-youth-pastor-charged-with-sexual-battery-for-allegedly-fondling-girl/article_74ec6224-2454-11ee-adf4-4bd871e56050.html

These days important to note he is not a drag queen.

[Coreece 190]

7 hours ago, riggerrob said:

On 7/11/2023 at 4:22 AM, Coreece said:

Just like 80's hair bands. . .it's just a fade.  Tho in this case it's just another boogie man to garner votes from "minorities"

You are quoting Canadian Professor Jordan Peterson (clinical psychologist) in that he perceives the current fad for trans-gender surgery to be a fad. A fad like teenagers cutting their own skin .... a fad the Salem Witch Hunts ... a fad like another dozen religious crusades .... a fad like a variety of religious jihads ... a fad like the Flat Earth Society ... a fad like disco music ....

No, if anything that seed was planted by the 80s videos I was posting in the music video thread that day and something I read in L.A times that I posted here about a year ago:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-12/a-transgender-psychologist-reckons-with-how-to-support-a-new-generation-of-trans-teens

"She has helped hundreds of teens transition. But she has also come to believe that some children identifying as trans are falling under the influence of their peers and social media and that some clinicians are failing to subject minors to rigorous mental health evaluations before recommending hormones or surgeries. “I think it’s gone too far. . ."

 

Edit

Actually no, I remember now.  It was from this Bill Maher Segment that referenced that article:

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Coreece

[Coreece 190]

On 7/11/2023 at 5:14 AM, kallend said:

On 7/11/2023 at 4:13 AM, Coreece said:

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

What else are you missing?

What Genesis is missing is good science.

Hmmm, that's pretty much the opposite of what most astrophysicists are saying today.

. . .but they say a lot these days.

Anyway, never really thought about it like that before.  Interesting.  Makes sense tho that it would be that way. . .opposite.

[jakee 1,498]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

Hmmm, that's pretty much the opposite of what most astrophysicists are saying today.

Citation needed.

[Coreece 190]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

7 hours ago, Coreece said:

Hmmm, that's pretty much the opposite of what most astrophysicists are saying today.

Citation needed.

You need a citation for how astrophysicists are saying the opposite of what the Bible says?  Because that's what I meant.

I was associating the photon epoch with "the beginning."  So in that sense it's the opposite since Scripture says He created the Heavens and the Earth, then He created light.

But then again, maybe it's not really the opposite.  Was there light prior to the photon epoch?  Maybe, but it wouldn't have been as transparent, and differ from our contemporary understanding of light.

Bottom line is that the Bible is not a science book.  It's long enough as it is without explaining everything in planck time.

It effectively conveyed its intended message in a manner that was accessible and comprehensible to the people of that era. Basically that God did it.

[kallend 2,027]

8 hours ago, Coreece said:

Hmmm, that's pretty much the opposite of what most astrophysicists are saying today.

. . .but they say a lot these days.

Anyway, never really thought about it like that before.  Interesting.  Makes sense tho that it would be that way. . .opposite.

No astrophysicist says the Earth existed before photons.  Not  single one.  

The Bible is false from the very first verse.

"Begin as you mean to go on" as the preacher said.

Edited July 18, 2023 by kallend