U.K. goes wobbly on climate action

[brenthutch 444]

“In a press conference Wednesday, Sunak announced a series of major U-turns on climate policies, including delaying by five years the target to ban sales of new gas and diesel cars — which will now come into force in 2035 rather than 2030 — and a nine-year delay on phasing out gas boilers, which will now come into force in 2035.”

Just as I have said for the last ten plus years, once the consequences of net-zero policies draw near they will be dropped like the useless, steaming piles of excrement they are.

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/22/1200795496/rishi-sunak-uk-climate-policy-changes#:~:text=The government's Climate Change Committee,investment every year by 2030.

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44 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Just as I have said for the last ten plus years, once the consequences of net-zero policies draw near they will be dropped like the useless, steaming piles of excrement they are.

Sorry to break it to you, but it's actually Sunak's government that will be dropped like a steaming pile next year.

Like how a lettuce outlasted Liz Truss when she tried to implement a conservative manifesto straight out of the GOP playbook.

[brenthutch 444]

44 minutes ago, olofscience said:

Sorry to break it to you, but it's actually Sunak's government that will be dropped like a steaming pile next year.

Like how a lettuce outlasted Liz Truss when she tried to implement a conservative manifesto straight out of the GOP playbook.

Replaced with another conservative no doubt.  The Labour Party doesn’t stand a chance as long as they promulgate net-zero nonsense. 
And they know it…

“At Labour’s National Policy Forum (NPF) in Nottingham the following day, Starmer told his party: “We are doing something very wrong if policies put forward by the Labour party end up on each and every Tory leaflet.”

Edited September 24, 2023 by brenthutch

[jakee 1,498]

43 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Replaced with another conservative no doubt.  The Labour Party doesn’t stand a chance as long as they promulgate net-zero nonsense.

Oh that’s a keeper. Maybe check the poll numbers before predicting things in future?

Under the current polling, Labour is still on course to win seats in parts of England where it has always been a distant spectator, such as both Bournemouth constituencies in Dorset, Southend East in Essex, Macclesfield in Cheshire, and Bromley and Chislehurst in south east London.

If an election was held on the 2019 boundaries, former Conservative leader Iain Duncan-Smith, and the new defence secretary, Grant Shapps, are amongst some of the leading political figures who would lose their seats to Labour.

Why are they in this position? Because over the last decade in power they’ve screwed up everything. They trashed the economy last year for absolutely no reason whatsoever. One of the biggest self inflicted wounds in the history of politics. Brexit is an ongoing disaster. By sleepwalking from one hardline immigration policy catastrophe to another they can’t even do xenophobia right at the moment. They are the last people on earth you want on your side in an argument  right now, because when they’re so demonstrably wrong about everything else, what are the chances they’re right about this?

Edited September 24, 2023 by jakee

[billvon 2,997]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Just as I have said for the last ten plus years, once the consequences of net-zero policies draw near they will be dropped like the useless, steaming piles of excrement they are.

Just like emissions requirements for cars were dropped immediately when people realized what the costs were.

Just like the Clean Air act was dropped once it started costing people money.

Just like Tesla went bankrupt when people found out how much EVs really cost.

Fortunately, most Americans (and most Brits) can think about more than lining their own wallets when it comes to planning for the future.

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12 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Replaced with another conservative no doubt.  The Labour Party doesn’t stand a chance as long as they promulgate net-zero nonsense. 
And they know it…

No, you don't know it.

The Conservatives face being wiped out in the next election by Labour.

Hence Sunak is scraping the barrel for ideas to try to bail out the Conservatives' underwater polling, including copying many of Labour's ideas. The dropping of net zero is entirely his own idea though, and not only does it look like it's not working, but it's probably going to backfire on them in the election.

[olofscience 480]

4 hours ago, Slim King said:

The entire world will soon see the error their ways. Net-Zero is suicide.

No, quite the opposite - the Conservatives just committed electoral suicide.

The image is from last October but the Conservatives haven't made much progress since then.

Hence the scraping of the barrel for anything that would win them a few more votes, like the net zero policy. It's not working though, they're still way behind Labour.

Edited September 25, 2023 by olofscience

[Phil1111 1,149]

Even though the UK has had the Brexit experience/disaster. It is still more or less tied to the EU through other trade agreements. The EU is also calling the shots on climate change. EU lawmakers approve effective 2035 ban on new fossil fuel cars I'm not sure if a UK new 2036 gas powered car would be allowed on the continent.

SC debaters having debate with US members have to keep in mind that for some, mostly conservative, debaters. The world ends outside the continental US borders. They have a limited understanding on how the rest of the world operates. Unless of course US military power is in the discussion. Sorry Brent.

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2 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

SC debaters having debate with US members have to keep in mind that for some, mostly conservative, debaters. The world ends outside the continental US borders. They have a limited understanding on how the rest of the world operates. Unless of course US military power is in the discussion. Sorry Brent.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12551439/used-electric-cars-price.html

 

Dealers have warned that Electric Vehicles (EVs) are sitting on forecourts for 'months on end while they haemorrhage value', with some at risk of selling at a loss if the market does not recover.”

“Figures revealed earlier this week also showed that sales of new zero-emission vehicles to private buyers have fallen by more than 11 per cent.”

looks like it’s not just the US market that has tapped the brakes on EVs. Sorry Phill.

 

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18 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Dealers have warned that Electric Vehicles (EVs) are sitting on forecourts for 'months on end while they haemorrhage value', with some at risk of selling at a loss if the market does not recover.”

“Figures revealed earlier this week also showed that sales of new zero-emission vehicles to private buyers have fallen by more than 11 per cent.”

looks like it’s not just the US market that has tapped the brakes on EVs. Sorry Phill.

What happened to your original topic? Looks like you have run out of arguments there.

 

As for EVs, demand in the UK has fallen at the same time real estate prices have crashed. Something to do with interest rates but you won't understand.

 

Unless you think real estate prices have crashed because all people want are really old, dark, drafty, coal-heated houses. None of that lefty modern efficient insulated crap. /s

[brenthutch 444]

36 minutes ago, olofscience said:

What happened to your original topic? Looks like you have run out of arguments there.

 

I didn’t make an argument, I made a statement. I should have known you wouldn’t understand the difference.

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26 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I didn’t make an argument, I made a statement. I should have known you wouldn’t understand the difference.

Uh huh. That's like saying algebra isn't maths because letters can't be numbers.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 hours ago, olofscience said:

Uh huh. That's like saying algebra isn't maths because letters can't be numbers.

Well, algebra has math(s) in it, but it's really abstract thinking and logical reasoning.

[olofscience 480]

Despite the UK government's desperate attempt to scrape the barrel for more votes, even car companies aren't going to follow them:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/25/nissan-all-electric-by-2030-rishi-sunak-petrol-ban-europe