EVs, Aspirations vs Reality

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52 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Energy transition will never be total and complete. I guess that means a win for you, and the people who still use kerosene lamps, too

Wendy P.

It won’t even begin until the growth of renewables outpace growth in demand which is projected to explode.

From Newsmax

“According to estimates in The Wall Street Journal, data centers which accounted for about 2.5% of U.S. electricity in 2022 are projected to consume more than 20% by 2030.

That power is needed around-the-clock 24/7, competing with nighttime EV recharging demands, particularly when there is no sunlight, and the wind isn’t blowing.

AEP Ohio warns that new data centers and Intel’s planned $20 billion chip plant will strain its grid as well because chip factories and data centers can consume 100 times more power than typical businesses.”

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21 minutes ago, ryoder said:

That would be the Amish?

Um, have you taken a look at who lives where Brent lives?

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

...You guys must live in the land of Magical Thinking.

 

 

56 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Energy transition not happening”

"Pennsylvania isn’t part of a big, regional program to slash carbon emissions, but coal plants are closing anyway... Pennsylvania’s four other major coal plants are expected to close or stop burning coal by the end of 2028,...The closures reflect the economic and regulatory headwinds facing coal nationwide, which has struggled to compete against cheap natural gas and renewable energy. "

Coal, Pennsylvania and the dark ages. Some things never change.

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15 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

 

"Pennsylvania isn’t part of a big, regional program to slash carbon emissions, but coal plants are closing anyway... Pennsylvania’s four other major coal plants are expected to close or stop burning coal by the end of 2028,...The closures reflect the economic and regulatory headwinds facing coal nationwide, which has struggled to compete against cheap natural gas and renewable energy. "

Coal, Pennsylvania and the dark ages. Some things never change.

PA closes one coal plant per year (average) meanwhile China builds two coal plants per week and India is not far behind.

 

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33 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

PA closes one coal plant per year (average) meanwhile China builds two coal plants per week and India is not far behind.

 

No shit, Sherlock. That’s the problem not the potential or viability of renewables. By that logic why fight crime at home when Haiti is so ridden with theft, drugs, and murder?

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Energy transition will never be total and complete. I guess that means a win for you, and the people who still use kerosene lamps, too

Wendy P.

That would be the Amish?

 

The local Amish Use propane. 

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

No shit, Sherlock. That’s the problem not the potential or viability of renewables. By that logic why fight crime at home when Haiti is so ridden with theft, drugs, and murder?

Imagine you are the emperor of the planet and your task is to reduce global crime. You will not make a dent by over policing Switzerland while ignoring Haiti. The U.N. Says we need to achieve Net Zero by 2050. With China and India building hundreds of coal plants, with a lifespan of 40 to 50 years, it ain’t going to happen.

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5 hours ago, ryoder said:

That would be the Amish?

Hey I'm not Amish. And your not getting my lanterns.

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3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

No shit, Sherlock. That’s the problem not the potential or viability of renewables. By that logic why fight crime at home when Haiti is so ridden with theft, drugs, and murder?

That would only apply if fighting crime here had some effect on Haiti.

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On 4/20/2024 at 12:27 PM, lippy said:

Now, you're back holding up Tesla's decline and claiming you'd called it all along.  Make up your mind man...for those of us playing the home game, it's hard to keep up!

Look, Elon has decided that thousands of people are going to lose their jobs and that's one of the only things that makes Brent happy these days. Just let him have his moment to bask in other people's misery.

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On 4/20/2024 at 7:27 AM, lippy said:

So, first you spend about 4 years telling everybody that Tesla will never pan out...then, in December 2023 you said: "I was wrong about Tesla, full stop" so I guess you were at least acknowledging their successes.

Now, you're back holding up Tesla's decline and claiming you'd called it all along.  Make up your mind man...for those of us playing the home game, it's hard to keep up!

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken 

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6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Imagine you are the emperor of the planet and your task is to reduce global crime. You will not make a dent by over policing Switzerland while ignoring Haiti. The U.N. Says we need to achieve Net Zero by 2050. With China and India building hundreds of coal plants, with a lifespan of 40 to 50 years, it ain’t going to happen.

If I was Emperor of the planet and that was my task then I would shut that shit down with my Emperor powers. I'd be rounding up assholes like they rounded up cattle on Rawhide. I'd leave Switzerland to find a place to put them all as penance for not doing jack shit to save the world and, worse, protecting the Catholic Pope in party suit uniforms. Wanna ask what I'd do if you also charged me with achieving net zero?

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1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Wanna ask what I'd do if you also charged me with achieving net zero?

Yes, just how would you go about destroying the worlds economy?

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4 hours ago, airdvr said:

That would only apply if fighting crime here had some effect on Haiti.

You didn't get the point. To be clear, as I've posted here, I think the whole rush to save the world from CO2 is doomed precisely because of China, India, Brazil, Republicans, and on and on and on. If it could be done it's certainly worth the expense but I am not holding my breath or my fun.

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59 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Yes, just how would you go about destroying the worlds economy?

Piece by piece seems like the most economical. Please don’t forget that the world is no longer a multiplicity of political arrangements as per your definition. Now Mrs. Weber’s young son Joseph gets to call the shots and decide the winners and losers. I’ll do my best and try to keep you in mind. Thank you for your support.

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2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You didn't get the point. To be clear, as I've posted here, I think the whole rush to save the world from CO2 is doomed precisely because of China, India, Brazil, Republicans, and on and on and on. If it could be done it's certainly worth the expense but I am not holding my breath or my fun.

And yet we are spending trillions on a path to nowhere. One must ask oneself who will benefit from this futile endeavor? The answer is the friends and cronies of those pushing this agenda. Michael Mann went from a low-level meteorologist to a multimillionaire celebrity once he concocted the “hockey stick,” which has subsequently been rejected as junk science. However, once the gravy train started rolling, more and more hopped on board and now everyone from politics to media to academia is now feeding at the trough of climate alarmism. Anyone who can not see this is either naive, stupid or in on it.

 

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20 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

And yet we are spending trillions on a path to nowhere. One must ask oneself who will benefit from this futile endeavor? The answer is the friends and cronies of those pushing this agenda. Michael Mann went from a low-level meteorologist to a multimillionaire celebrity once he concocted the “hockey stick,” which has subsequently been rejected as junk science. However, once the gravy train started rolling, more and more hopped on board and everyone from politics to media to academia is now feeding at the trough of climate alarmism. Anyone who can not see this is either naive, stupid or in on it.

 

And, as ever, you missed the point entirely. Protecting a nice lady from being persecuted for wearing a hijab isn't wrong just because 12 morons are going to beat your ass for your effort.

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23 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

And, as ever, you missed the point entirely. Protecting a nice lady from being persecuted for not wearing an burka isn't wrong just because 12 morons are going to try to beat your ass for your effort.

FIFY

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21 hours ago, brenthutch said:

“Energy transition not happening”

Define energy

Define transition

define 'not happening'

Try not to contradict anything you have said or claimed already in this 30 page thread.

Oh wait, moving the goalposts and changing definitions is your modus operandi.

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10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Michael Mann went from a low-level meteorologist to a multimillionaire celebrity

 And you're on the side of those small, gutsy oil companies determined to EXPOSE this evil conspiracy! 

 

And why would you care about Michel Mann's net worth? Could it be that you're:

On 4/6/2024 at 1:34 PM, brenthutch said:

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

15 hours ago, brenthutch said:

And yet we are spending trillions on a path to nowhere. One must ask oneself who will benefit from this futile endeavor? The answer is the friends and cronies of those pushing this agenda. Michael Mann went from a low-level meteorologist to a multimillionaire celebrity once he concocted the “hockey stick,” which has subsequently been rejected as junk science. However, once the gravy train started rolling, more and more hopped on board and now everyone from politics to media to academia is now feeding at the trough of climate alarmism. Anyone who can not see this is either naive, stupid or in on it.

We are spending billions in putting up Stop signs and guess what, people still run stop signs, sometimes even killing other people. Clearly they aren't working. Why are we doing this? The answer is the friends and cronies who are pushing the traffic law and regulation agenda. Now some sign company owners have become rich, went from nothing to millions.

 

Now that these guys are rich, no way to halt the stop sign train. Next we get yield signs, speed limit signs and the stupidest of all, slow moving vehicle signs. Anyone who can't see the dark money secret traffic sign agenda is either naïve, stupid or in on it!

Sheeple.

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15 hours ago, brenthutch said:

And yet we are spending trillions on a path to nowhere. One must ask oneself who will benefit from this futile endeavor?

I get all my power from solar.  California now goes hours getting all its power from renewables for weeks on end - and all that is time we are not burning natural gas, thus saving that gas for the less developed parts of the US.  As a result, natural gas prices are dropping, and air quality is improving.  Solar fabrication equipment is one of the few things we export to China.  US companies that make solar equipment are making billions and employing hundreds of thousands.  

So the citizens of the US will - and are already - benefiting from this.

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Michael Mann went from a low-level meteorologist to a multimillionaire

Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.  Become a scientist or engineer, discover/invent something important and you too can be a millionaire!

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 the “hockey stick,” which has subsequently been rejected as junk science.

Only in your imagination.

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naive, stupid or in on it.

I am perfectly happy for you to think I am stupid.  Like George Santos calling someone dishonest, or like Trump calling someone a liar.  It's more a badge of honor than anything else.

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2 hours ago, billvon said:

Become a scientist or engineer, discover/invent something important and you too can be a millionaire!

Shit. Guess I'm gonna have to change my plan from "Social Media Influencer." 

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3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Shit. Guess I'm gonna have to change my plan from "Social Media Influencer." 

But influencers get free tacos I hear . . . .

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

But influencers get free tacos I hear . . . .

He could try OnlyFans. Some Australian Rapper is making $36 million a year of the platform....I am sure with a little ingenuity he could do the same thing