The Continent’s Consensus on Climate?……Crumbling

[Coreece 190]

4 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

thread derailing.

For a third time.  I came into this thread with a very important article about how trans gendered sex workers were being affected by climate change, but Bill wanted to talk about "all the things Christians loved - self-rejection, guilt and condemning homosexuality"

Followed by Derailment.

[billvon 2,991]

5 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

That and thread derailing.

True dat.  Perhaps this will get us back at least to the alliteration aspects of this thread -

Coreece's confusion 'twixt cognition and consent is concerning.

[Coreece 190]

On 6/2/2024 at 7:37 PM, billvon said:

 Thoughts don't matter - actions do

Again. The main argument for destigmatization is to encourage these guys to get help with their - THOUGHTS -  before they act on them, because it does matter and people do care.  I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone sexually objectifying your child in their mind.

Now here's the part where you go on and on about black guys, anime costumes and going to jail. . .

 

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

For a third time.  I came into this thread with a very important article about how trans gendered sex workers were being affected by climate change,

Have you forgotten that we talked about that already? You came into this thread with, in your opinion, a stupid article which you posted as a joke and you never had any desire to discuss it seriously.

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

Again. The main argument for destigmatization is to encourage these guys to get help with their - THOUGHTS -  before they act on them, because it does matter and people do care. 

Ok, but… you’d rather not encourage them to get help, regardless of whether that makes them more likely to act?

[olofscience 480]

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

That should've been enough to get you started on your own research

1) that's not what research is, 2) you should provide hyperlinks

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

but it wasn't central to the point I was making.

And you STILL don't say what point you were making. Because you don't really have any or you're not really discussing in good faith.

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

and walked right into it.

Again you're proving my point with the gotchas. Not sure what this is about though, given you don't really have a point.

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

It was irrelevant to the point, but he goes on with that red herring anyway because that's all he had.

What point? You *AGAIN* fail to say what your point even is. So whatever billvon's point is, it's a lot more than whatever you've "contributed" to this discussion, which is just slithering around people's arguments saying "gotcha" and "that's not my point".

[olofscience 480]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Have you forgotten that we talked about that already? You came into this thread with, in your opinion, a stupid article which you posted as a joke and you never had any desire to discuss it seriously.

He posted it as a joke, then said "climate change is good because it forced these sex workers to change careers, because sex is bad". But he wasn't committed enough to his anti-sex position so he had to slither around, drop some implied accusations with a broad brush, then deny he did that, then try to get some "gotchas" instead of actually arguing for his position. Which he'll continue to do, because that's easier than actually facing the gaping inconsistencies at the heart of his religion.

[kallend 2,027]

28 minutes ago, olofscience said:

He posted it as a joke, then said "climate change is good because it forced these sex workers to change careers, because sex is bad". But he wasn't committed enough to his anti-sex position so he had to slither around, drop some implied accusations with a broad brush, then deny he did that, then try to get some "gotchas" instead of actually arguing for his position. Which he'll continue to do, because that's easier than actually facing the gaping inconsistencies at the heart of his religion.

Has the gender of this individual ever been established?  I always thought it was F.

[olofscience 480]

9 minutes ago, kallend said:

Has the gender of this individual ever been established?  I always thought it was F.

Coreece posted a very cringey post a while ago about the Netflix film "Don't Look Up" where he was comparing himself to Timothée Chalamet "getting" Jennifer Lawrence, because Timothée's character in the movie was that of an evangelical (he also completely missed the entire point of the movie, but that's another topic). Hence I deduced his gender as a "he", among other telltale signs.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 5/30/2024 at 2:44 PM, brenthutch said:

I’ll trade a patch of snow and ice for record food production, but that’s just me. I would rather feed the hungry than gaze upon an alpine iceberg. Obviously Kallend disagrees.

Maybe Kallend is smart enough to understand that we already produce more food than we need and that obesity is now a larger problem than hunger.

We don't have a food production problem we have a logistics problem and a problem with inability to produce food in areas where large groups of people live. Climate change is going to have a further detrimental effect on those factors.

Hence, if you really were worried about feeding the hungry, and we all know you really could care less about other people, you would be a climate change champion.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

Maybe Kallend is smart enough to understand that we already produce more food than we need and that obesity is now a larger problem than hunger.

We don't have a food production problem we have a logistics problem and a problem with inability to produce food in areas where large groups of people live. Climate change is going to have a further detrimental effect on those factors.

Hence, if you really were worried about feeding the hungry, and we all know you really could care less about other people, you would be a climate change champion.

When he says cereals he means cereals, in boxes with sugar, preservatives, and colors of the rainbow food coloring already added and on the truck bound for Mogadishu to solve world hunger. Easy peasy.

[brenthutch 444]

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:We don't have a food production problem we have a logistics problem and a problem with inability to produce food in areas where large groups of people live. Climate change is going to have a further detrimental effect on those factors.

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

We don't have a food production problem we have a logistics problem 

Hence, if you really were worried about feeding the hungry, and we all know you really could care less about other people, you would be a climate change champion.

 

I am a logistics champion, diesel powered ships, trains and trucks can get the food where it needs to be. Cyber Trucks and solar panels just won’t cut it. I will admit, I am a bit slow so could you explain just how climate change is currently causing world hunger?

[johnhking1 96]

Sam Kinneston solves the hunger problem.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sam+kinneston+on+hunger&rlz=1C1PRFI_enUS786US788&oq=sam+kinneston+on+hunger&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQLhgNGIAEMgoIAhAAGAgYDRgeMg0IAxAAGIYDGIAEGIoFMgoIBBAAGIAEGKIE0gEJMTE1NTBqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:afba1ee4,vid:K44DriPrLUk,st:0

[brenthutch 444]

“After years of political consensus on the transition to cleaner energy, a ‘greenlash’ began bubbling up as prices rose and right-wing candidates gained ground.”

looks like the Europeans are starting to wake up. Just as I predicted.

Edited June 9, 2024 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 6/7/2024 at 6:33 PM, brenthutch said:

I am a bit slow so could you explain just how climate change is currently causing world hunger?

You must be, cause that wasn't my claim.

[brenthutch 444]

On 6/10/2024 at 1:43 PM, SkyDekker said:

You must be, cause that wasn't my claim.

“If you cared about people, you would be a climate change champion”

 

[jakee 1,489]

On 6/9/2024 at 11:17 PM, brenthutch said:

“After years of political consensus on the transition to cleaner energy, a ‘greenlash’ began bubbling up as prices rose and right-wing candidates gained ground.”

looks like the Europeans are starting to wake up. Just as I predicted.

Best not to describe a surge of support for facist, ultra right, ultra nationalist parties as ‘waking up’. You might give people the right idea about you.

Edited June 13, 2024 by jakee

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

“If you cared about people, you would be a climate change champion”

 

Clearly you also don't know how quotation marks work.......My actual quote below. Since the commas might be throwing you off, I have bolded the section you are all confused about.                  

"Hence, if you really were worried about feeding the hungry, and we all know you really could care less about other people, you would be a climate change champion."

I guess just like percentages, quoting and reading is also not really a strong suit. Was your MBA program video based? Maybe on YouTube?

[brenthutch 444]

Just how would being a “climate change champion” (whatever that is) would show I cared about other people?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

How might climate change affect farming and food security in the future?

Up to a certain point, rising temperatures and CO2 can be beneficial for crops. But rising temperatures also accelerate evapotranspiration from plants and soils, and there must also be enough water for crops to thrive.  

For areas of the world that are already water-constrained, climate change will increasingly cause adverse impacts on agricultural production through diminishing water supplies, increases in extreme events like floods and severe storms, heat stress, and increased prevalence of pests and diseases.

Above a certain point of warming -- and particularly above an increase of 2 degrees Celsius in average global temperatures – it becomes increasingly more difficult to adapt and increasingly more expensive. In countries where temperatures are already extremely high, such as the Sahel belt of Africa or South Asia, rising temperatures could have a more immediate effect on crops such as wheat that are less heat tolerant.

Without solutions, falling crop yields, especially in the world's most food-insecure regions, will push more people into poverty – an estimated 43 million people in Africa alone could fall below the poverty line by 2030 as a result.

 

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2022/10/17/what-you-need-to-know-about-food-security-and-climate-change

 

Here are some ways climate contributes to Africa’s food crisis:

• Average temperatures are rising faster in Africa than in the rest of the world.
• Rainfall is increasing in Africa by 30% in wet regions and decreasing by 20% in dry regions.
• 95% of Africa’s farmers rely on rainfall and do not have irrigation systems.

Before 1999, a poor rainy season in Africa occurred every five or six years. Today, farmers grapple with lack of rain every two or three years, according to the International Livestock Research Institute.

Across Africa, agricultural productivity has declined by 34% due to climate change, more than in any other region, the U.N. says.

https://it.usembassy.gov/how-climate-change-affects-the-food-crisis/

 

Just a few examples. Amazingly, it isn't as easy as "uhhhh, more carbon...more food....so climate change is awesome"

 

 

Edited June 13, 2024 by SkyDekker

[brenthutch 444]

8 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

How might climate change affect farming and food security in the future?

Up to a certain point, rising temperatures and CO2 can be beneficial for crops. But rising temperatures also accelerate evapotranspiration from plants and soils, and there must also be enough water for crops to thrive.  

For areas of the world that are already water-constrained, climate change will increasingly cause adverse impacts on agricultural production through diminishing water supplies, increases in extreme events like floods and severe storms, heat stress, and increased prevalence of pests and diseases.

Above a certain point of warming -- and particularly above an increase of 2 degrees Celsius in average global temperatures – it becomes increasingly more difficult to adapt and increasingly more expensive. In countries where temperatures are already extremely high, such as the Sahel belt of Africa or South Asia, rising temperatures could have a more immediate effect on crops such as wheat that are less heat tolerant.

Without solutions, falling crop yields, especially in the world's most food-insecure regions, will push more people into poverty – an estimated 43 million people in Africa alone could fall below the poverty line by 2030 as a result.

 

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2022/10/17/what-you-need-to-know-about-food-security-and-climate-change

 

Here are some ways climate contributes to Africa’s food crisis:

• Average temperatures are rising faster in Africa than in the rest of the world.
• Rainfall is increasing in Africa by 30% in wet regions and decreasing by 20% in dry regions.
• 95% of Africa’s farmers rely on rainfall and do not have irrigation systems.

Before 1999, a poor rainy season in Africa occurred every five or six years. Today, farmers grapple with lack of rain every two or three years, according to the International Livestock Research Institute.

Across Africa, agricultural productivity has declined by 34% due to climate change, more than in any other region, the U.N. says.

https://it.usembassy.gov/how-climate-change-affects-the-food-crisis/

 

Just a few examples. Amazingly, it isn't as easy as "uhhhh, more carbon...more food....so climate change is awesome"

 

 

A whole lot of mights and maybes, precious short on is and have.

[olofscience 480]

11 hours ago, brenthutch said:

A whole lot of mights and maybes, precious short on is and have.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

 

Love your confidence, Brent 

[lippy 918]

20 minutes ago, olofscience said:

Love your confidence, Brent 

Why wouldn’t he be confident, with his unimpeachable record of predictions?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

13 hours ago, olofscience said:

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people are so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

 

Love your confidence, Brent 

I recall a debate between Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ramadan where Ramadan, defending the Koran, posited that the problem wasn't with the book but with the reader. Surely that's too often true for all of us or we would always be in agreement and BillVon would need to get a real job. The point being that whereas one might argue that Brent may assimilate climate information through a blurred lens, and with confidence, so do we. I am often in full throated disagreement with Brent but he is neither a fool or a lunatic and he is certainly far from stupid.

Edited June 15, 2024 by JoeWeber

[kallend 2,027]

6 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

  I am often in full throated disagreement with Brent but he is neither a fool or a lunatic and he is certainly far from stupid.

If he were stupid or a lunatic he wouldn't be such an effective troll.