point_code 0 #1 January 27, 2006 ok, if you forget to cock your pilot chute will it really eventually open your main? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darkwing 5 #2 January 27, 2006 sometimes. If you decide to wait for it though you will die. -- Jeff My Skydiving History Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #3 January 27, 2006 Sure if I forgot to pack the main. If you forget to cock the PC you still have time to either repack it or take that big chance of using the reserve.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #4 January 27, 2006 ...are bad. Don't do it. ALWAYS cock them, preferably before the canopy is even bagged (right before). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jas8472 0 #5 January 27, 2006 I know a girl who bought a used rig, and did 6 jumps on it before someone asked her when she was packing, "aren't you going to cock the pilot chute?" and she replyed "do what?". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pierre3636 0 #6 January 27, 2006 id rather not even try and think about that ! i recently saw a clip of a guy who deployed with an uncocked PC and had the expected PC in tow...he reached back and pulled his pin with his right hand and had a full normal deployment... my question is - if and only if there is enough time to reach back and try to release the Dbag manually - would the bag resistance be enough to deploy your canopy most of the time? ~ time is ~ time was ~ times past ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #7 January 27, 2006 Three posibilities: 1.) No. 2.) Yes, right away. 3.) Yes, after a while. Watch "BreakAway" to see all of the above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,399 #8 January 27, 2006 Quotei recently saw a clip of a guy who deployed with an uncocked PC and had the expected PC in tow...he reached back and pulled his pin with his right hand and had a full normal deployment... my question is - if and only if there is enough time to reach back and try to release the Dbag manually - would the bag resistance be enough to deploy your canopy most of the time? Does anybody, at anytime, in any publication, remember anything about reaching back and grabbing bridle as part of the EP's for a PC in tow? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #9 January 27, 2006 QuoteDoes anybody, at anytime, in any publication, remember anything about reaching back and grabbing bridle as part of the EP's for a PC in tow? No . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warrenhoward 0 #10 January 27, 2006 Exactly, try not to do it. Most collapsible pilot chutes have the indicator window on the bridle which is easily checked (amongst other things) on the flight line.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #11 January 27, 2006 QuoteMost collapsible pilot chutes have the indicator window on the bridle which is easily checked (amongst other things) on the flight line.. Where???? You must've been kidding! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #12 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteMost collapsible pilot chutes have the indicator window on the bridle which is easily checked (amongst other things) on the flight line.. Where???? You must've been kidding! No... A lot of PCs have that. Its a open area in the briddle showing the line that runs inside of it, close to the pin. A section of the line is colored, so you can see if its cocked.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #13 January 27, 2006 Quotei recently saw a clip of a guy who deployed with an uncocked PC and had the expected PC in tow...he reached back and pulled his pin with his right hand and had a full normal deployment... http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3257 Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #14 January 27, 2006 QuoteWhere???? You must've been kidding! That was sarcasm right? Please tell me it was... If not then please STOP giving gear checks and talk to an instructor.... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeepDiver 0 #15 January 27, 2006 QuoteNo... A lot of PCs have that. Its a open area in the briddle showing the line that runs inside of it, close to the pin. A section of the line is colored, so you can see if its cocked. Remster Mine is green a couple inches from the pin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #16 January 27, 2006 The PC in my used low jump Vector 2 rig (~200 jumps when I bought it, 1993 manufacture) came with an indicator segment (green colored line) that tells me whether or not the PC is cocked, during a quick pin check. Assuming I am still using the original PC that came with the canopy (175 jumps, 1996), I think this is a technology that's been around for a long time. Maybe Bill Booth can add a comment about the innovation of the indicator "window" (This reminds me, it's almost time to replace my PC during my next reserve repack.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #17 January 27, 2006 I use Brian Germain's method of packing a PC as a way to reduce the possibility of having a horseshoe due to premature deployment. A nice side benefit is that as you start to fold the PC, if the PC is not cocked, it will be obvious because you cannot complete the first fold. I like that extra double check before I close the container. I've only caught myself once so far.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #18 January 27, 2006 Quoteok, if you forget to cock your pilot chute will it really eventually open your main? hmmmmm could be Yes.... could be NO!!!!! Now on a hop and pop,, the airspeed may well be , to low to cause the fabric of the P C to create enough drag to do its first job,,,,, which is to pull your pin... At terminal,,, who Knows???? Maybe there would be enough drag to pull the pin..... but then,, will there be enough drag to extract your main D bag..??? probably not... Lots of it has to do with how tightly your d bag fits in your main pack tray,,, and how tight your closing loop is, upon the completion of your pack job. ... Haven't there been incidents where a packed rig can be lifted right off the floor, by the bridle without the pin pulling???? This can occur when the main is oversized for the container, or when the closing loop is too short.....Even so, a properly cocked P C should generate the 'snatch force' to extract the pin when it reaches full 'bridle stretch'... If you own gear with a cockable pilot chute,, be damn aware of that and remember,, Just cause you cocked it at the beginning of the pack job,,, does not ensure that it will be cocked at the end.... In the course of bagging the canopy it is real easy for the movable "kill line" to slip 3 4 or 5 inches,,, effectively UNcocking the PC.... I Always check the window in the bridle, before putting the bag into the pack tray,,,, and then check again,, after inserting the closing pin... to be sure that I see 'green' or blue or black or whatever color assures us that the pilot chute will inflate correctly... I also often yank on the bridle, pulling the PC through the air a number of times to SEE It inflate before I seat the pin... then closing and locking the main pin protector flap,,and fully stowing the PC,, should assure you that you'll be good to go. An UN uncocked PC is a very very avoidable situation,,, and should be caught at a number of places, during your pack job.... If you have a packer working for you,, It can't hurt to check that window , and not just your pin seating, prior to donning the rig..... But... You already KNEW That !!!!!! Right????.....jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #19 January 27, 2006 Where? Checking "on the flight line.." ??? First of all I'm not giving gear check. I do cock my PC before start packing, after Ive set my breakes. I do check my PC before I bag my canopy and before I the PC in the BOC packet. So If I have my PC in BOC packet its ready for jump. I check my main pin before I get my gear on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #20 January 27, 2006 I've seen alot of bridles that when cocked the inner bridle does not show colour in the window. Inner bridle elongation or whatever... it should be know long before flightline check that bridle is cocked. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #21 January 27, 2006 QuoteI've seen alot of bridles that when cocked the inner bridle does not show colour in the window. Inner bridle elongation or whatever... it should be know long before flightline check that bridle is cocked. It doesn't elongate, it shrinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #22 January 27, 2006 QuoteQuotei recently saw a clip of a guy who deployed with an uncocked PC and had the expected PC in tow...he reached back and pulled his pin with his right hand and had a full normal deployment... my question is - if and only if there is enough time to reach back and try to release the Dbag manually - would the bag resistance be enough to deploy your canopy most of the time? Does anybody, at anytime, in any publication, remember anything about reaching back and grabbing bridle as part of the EP's for a PC in tow? No. But I have done it three times myself. I used to jump a bungee.... and once on borrowed gear. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #23 January 27, 2006 I had a beginner prone kill line PC. The pin was pulled back inside the bridle, so you could not close your container if you PC has not been cocked before. It had a downside too: you had a chance that the pin get stuck and spin up.....and not killed... It has happened 10-15 times from 160 dives. I've got it fixed/converted, so I can peek through the window of the bridle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #24 January 27, 2006 The results of an uncocked pilot chute are unpredictable. Sometimes they work normally, sometimes they work after a delay, sometimes they don't work at all. Don't trust them. Unpack it and confirm whether it's cocked or uncocked. If it is uncocked, cock it.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #25 January 28, 2006 QuoteDoes anybody, at anytime, in any publication, remember anything about reaching back and grabbing bridle as part of the EP's for a PC in tow? Roger? Then again, descending down static lines with a Rambo type knife clenched between your teeth also was considered to be 'standard procedure' once... Edited to say that every pilotchute with a kill line that I ever came across also had binding tape that connects the base of the PC with the top. One of the benefits of packing yourself is that this gives you a perfect measurement to see if the PC is cocked; it is when the kill-line you can see inside the PC is longer than said binding tape (and of course you may want to look down your bridle too at that stage...) The 'window' in the bridle where you can see a green marker is not always there and if so, if the kill line has shrinked an inch the PC probably works yet the green marked part of the kill line doesn't apear in the window anymore... Lastly (for those who think they can pull it of and save themselves a reserve repack) Don't try this @ home - Roger is a trained professional! "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
