Trump vs Hitler

[Hissone 6]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Just out of curiosity - do you think it is remotely possible that no civilians were killed by drone strikes while Trump was CinC?

Oh i think it’s probable. 

[JoeWeber 2,839]

1 minute ago, Hissone said:

Oh i think it’s probable. 

Go tell the Kurds that it's an entirely different way of being blown to bits than artillery and bombs.

[billvon 3,080]

12 hours ago, Coreece said:

"I condemn the antisemitic protests"

So do I.  They exist.  They are not the same as pro-Palestinian protests, no matter how tightly you crank down your blinders.

I support Israel and their right to exist.
I support the right of innocent people in Palestine to exist and to live in peace.
I oppose anti-semitic protests.
I oppose anti-Arab protests.
I oppose Hamas and their terrorist tactics.  And I think anti-Hamas protests are both justifiable and necessary.

If you can't understand how someone can hold such views, then nothing I can tell you is going to help.

[billvon 3,080]

2 hours ago, Hissone said:

Oh i think it’s probable. 

From a recently declassified Pentagon report:

In early 2017 in Iraq, an American war plane struck a dark-colored vehicle, believed to be a car bomb, stopped at an intersection in the Wadi Hajar neighborhood of West Mosul. Actually, the car had been bearing not a bomb but a man named Majid Mahmoud Ahmed, his wife and their two children, who were fleeing the fighting nearby. They and three other civilians were killed.

And a writeup on a 2019 drone-led attack:

In the last days of the battle against the Islamic State in Syria, when members of the once-fierce caliphate were cornered in a dirt field next to a town called Baghuz, a U.S. military drone circled high overhead, hunting for military targets. But it saw only a large crowd of women and children huddled against a river bank.

Without warning, an American F-15E attack jet streaked across the drone’s high-definition field of vision and dropped a 500-pound bomb on the crowd, swallowing it in a shuddering blast. As the smoke cleared, a few people stumbled away in search of cover. Then a jet tracking them dropped one 2,000-pound bomb, then another, killing most of the survivors.

Awaiting your outrage.  (Or, more likely, sudden justification for such strikes.)

[jakee 1,564]

1 hour ago, Hissone said:

Oh i think it’s probable. 

So if the one Biden drone strike is totally disqualifying, is there or has there ever been a Presidential candidate from either party who you could vote for?

Edited May 28, 2024 by jakee

[Phil1111 1,149]

3 hours ago, billvon said:

So do I.  They exist.  They are not the same as pro-Palestinian protests, no matter how tightly you crank down your blinders.

I support Israel and their right to exist.
I support the right of innocent people in Palestine to exist and to live in peace.
I oppose anti-semitic protests.
I oppose anti-Arab protests.
I oppose Hamas and their terrorist tactics.  And I think anti-Hamas protests are both justifiable and necessary.

If you can't understand how someone can hold such views, then nothing I can tell you is going to help.

IMO most people who understand the issues feel the same way. My cable supplier carries  the Israel international 24 hour news channel. Most of the politicians feel that almost all or all of the protests are anti-semitic. But they do have guests that make arguments that suggest your points. Its very difficult for the average citizen to separate Hamas from the Gaza population in general.

I would add that I support the rights of Palestinian people to an independent state.But it has to be free of Iranian influences.

[kallend 2,108]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

So if the one Biden drone strike is totally disqualifying, is there or has there ever been a Presidential candidate from either party who you could vote for?

You're wasting your effort.  He's will invent a rationalization to vote for Trump regardeless of any and all facts or evidence  demonstrating that Trump is a lying fraud and  adulterous self-serving sexual predatory bigot.   

[winsor 236]

Both candidates are truly awful people, and it speaks badly of us that only the scum rises to the top.

[JoeWeber 2,839]

27 minutes ago, winsor said:

Both candidates are truly awful people, and it speaks badly of us that only the scum rises to the top.

Trump is certainly awful, thats incontestable. But could you please explain why Biden is truly awful and on the same scale, as you imply, as Trump?

[BIGUN 1,424]

On 5/26/2024 at 6:12 PM, billvon said:

Memorial Day is to remember and honor people who have died fighting for the United States.  I for one am glad Bigun is not in that group.

Thanks, Bill. Me too. Always a difficult day. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,446]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Both candidates are truly awful people, and it speaks badly of us that only the scum rises to the top.

Hi winsor,

I realize that is an opinion of yours.  I disagree with it.

I consider Joe Biden a truly decent person.

That is my opinion.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[BIGUN 1,424]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

I support Israel and their right to exist.
I support the right of innocent people in Palestine to exist and to live in peace.
I oppose anti-semitic protests.
I oppose anti-Arab protests.
I oppose Hamas and their terrorist tactics.  And I think anti-Hamas protests are both justifiable and necessary.

Perfect. Totally Agree. 

[BIGUN 1,424]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

He's will invent a rationalization to vote for Trump regardeless of any and all facts or evidence  demonstrating that Trump is a lying fraud and  adulterous self-serving sexual predatory bigot.

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said, when asked if he wanted to weigh in on his former boss in light of recent comments made by other former Trump officials. “A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them.’ A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family – for all Gold Star families – on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.

“A person who is not truthful regarding his position on the protection of unborn life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical Christians, on Jews, on working men and women,” Kelly continued. “A person that has no idea what America stands for and has no idea what America is all about. A person who cavalierly suggests that a selfless warrior who has served his country for 40 years in peacetime and war should lose his life for treason – in expectation that someone will take action. A person who admires autocrats and murderous dictators. A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law.

“There is nothing more that can be said,” Kelly concluded. “God help us.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html#:~:text=John Kelly%2C the longest-serving,an exclusive statement to CNN.

While one may criticize the source. One cannot criticize Kelly's military career or the discipline he tried to bring to the White House.  

 

Edited May 28, 2024 by BIGUN
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[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

“What can I add that has not already been said?” Kelly said,..

While one may criticize the source. One cannot criticize Kelly's military career or the discipline he tried to bring to the White House.  

 

Or  General Jim Mattis.

[BIGUN 1,424]

8 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Mattis

Mattis, along with all other living former secretaries of defense, ten in total, published a Washington Post op-ed piece in January 2021 telling President Trump not to involve the military in determining the outcome of the 2020 elections.

 

[JoeWeber 2,839]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Mattis, along with all other living former secretaries of defense, ten in total, published a Washington Post op-ed piece in January 2021 telling President Trump not to involve the military in determining the outcome of the 2020 elections.

 

Well that's heroic. Have they all been on R&R since? Seriously, no one should be impressed. They should be non stop in the news condemning the dirt bag NOW! Oh, wait, can we read all about it in their books?

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Well that's heroic. Have they all been on R&R since? Seriously, no one should be impressed. They should be non stop in the news condemning the dirt bag NOW! Oh, wait, can we read all about it in their books?

Obviously all of these generals and former secretaries of defense need your leadership. Clearly whats necessary is a live video feed from your personal re-elect President Biden campaign offices. Perhaps some personal recommendations as to what rums and scotches you recommend could liven up the instruction.

[BIGUN 1,424]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

They should be non stop in the news condemning the dirt bag NOW!

You can reach General Mattis at: (202) 863-7200

[JoeWeber 2,839]

1 minute ago, BIGUN said:

You can reach General Mattis at: (202) 863-7200

That's trite and I know you get the point. Maybe you and others think just writing in Howdy Doody, anything but a vote for Biden, is protest enough against a potential Trump presidency but I think not. And if I had the bully pulpit those military people who served Trump have I'd be on it. But I'm not that guy. They are and they could cost Trump votes if they chose.

[billvon 3,080]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

That's trite and I know you get the point. Maybe you and others think just writing in Howdy Doody, anything but a vote for Biden, is protest enough against a potential Trump presidency but I think not. 

In that case get in touch with these people:

https://votevets.org/

[JoeWeber 2,839]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

In that case get in touch with these people:

https://votevets.org/

What an excellent idea! Should I speak to each one individually so it seems like a bigger group than less than 10% of all vets? Another problem, IMO. In any case none of that amounts to a drip off an ice cream cone compared to what Mattis, Milley, Kelly etc.. could do to peel conservative votes away from Trump, I think, if they would just get out there hard and personal now and on any news outlet that would have them and I suspect all would. 

[billvon 3,080]

30 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

What an excellent idea! Should I speak to each one individually so it seems like a bigger group than less than 10% of all vets?

You could.  Or perhaps contribute to their cause so they can include more than 10% of all vets.

[JoeWeber 2,839]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

You could.  Or perhaps contribute to their cause so they can include more than 10% of all vets.

Another excellent idea. Maybe I'll ask Jasmin Crockett to give back the $250 I gave her and send it to votevets. Can't give money to everyone, you know, especially when it's futile. Better, how about if the Generals who were right there in the middle of the dumpster fire disaster and have credibility in spades and diamonds, from their hearts, use their stars and clubs to help keep the country from collapsing into autocracy? Or do you think that's futile, too?

[jakee 1,564]

On 5/26/2024 at 10:27 AM, BIGUN said:

I'm talking about the hypocrisy of chastising those who stereotype and those who think that it's OK - as long as it's them.

Here is a Texas Republican Congressman saying his primary opponent was a Neo Nazi, and that parts of the Republican party are KKK sympathising scum.

Is he being just like a racist?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/29/texas-republican-primary-runoff-tony-gonzales-

[JoeWeber 2,839]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

You can reach General Mattis at: (202) 863-7200

Frankly, and until I see a crap load of evidence to the contrary, I'm guessing that like a lot of our serving and discharged military he's kind of okay with a little bit of liberal head knocking, especially if it will knock a little Jesus into us. They don't fear an emerging autocracy as the citizenry might; they're fighters not snowflakes. Also, until the freshly minted autocrat has enough time to consolidate power in the military to start the purging they feel somewhat safe knowing that the autocrat knows that only the military has coup power. So how's about you call General Mattis as retired military and pitch the bitch?