Trump vs Hitler

[Phil1111 1,149]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That's trite and I know you get the point. Maybe you and others think just writing in Howdy Doody, anything but a vote for Biden, is protest enough against a potential Trump presidency but I think not. And if I had the bully pulpit those military people who served Trump have I'd be on it. But I'm not that guy. They are and they could cost Trump votes if they chose.

Too funny. Like trump's base listens to criticism. Hell the Pope himself criticized trump and it had no effect. The more times he's indicted the more his base sends him kisses and cash.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

Too funny. Like trump's base listens to criticism. Hell the Pope himself criticized trump and it had no effect. The more times he's indicted the more his base sends him kisses and cash.

Military votes. It's possible some of those folks might listen to reason from a respected officer, just like a local MAGA veteran might listen to a respected veteran who said enough's enough and changed parties to show it's real.

[BIGUN 1,314]

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

just like a local MAGA veteran might listen to a respected veteran who said enough's enough and changed parties to show it's real.

~37% of America from both sides of the aisle are moderates. That's not counting the number of Independents - which of itself is a moderate position. One need not jump parties every time the wind blows. I'm comfortable being a moderate Republican. I'm not changing parties cause Joe said so, no more than I would expect you to change. We have a different opinion on how the goals should be reached, but that does not make you or I bad people. I remain firm that I will not vote for either Trump or Biden.  That works to your advantage - somewhat. You don't have to agree, disagree or even understand - because my freedom to choose is the same as yours.   

[Phil1111 1,149]

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Military votes. It's possible some of those folks might listen to reason from a respected officer, just like a local MAGA veteran might listen to a respected veteran who said enough's enough and changed parties to show it's real.

Jim Jones had a similar control over his disciples.Like trump Jones persuaded his followers to drink the kool-aid. Except with trump the drink acts like a neutron bomb. Killing the brain but leaving the body intact.

[jakee 1,489]

37 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I remain firm that I will not vote for either Trump or Biden.  That works to your advantage - somewhat. You don't have to agree, disagree or even understand - because my freedom to choose is the same as yours.   

Luckily our freedom to question that decision also remains intact.

Last time you have a reason why you wouldn’t vote for Biden it was with flat out lies about him, which you later said was simply an exercise in trolling. 
 

So what genuine reason is there for a true moderate not to vote for Biden, given the alternative?

[Phil1111 1,149]

12 minutes ago, jakee said:

Luckily our freedom to question that decision also remains intact.

Last time you have a reason why you wouldn’t vote for Biden it was with flat out lies about him, which you later said was simply an exercise in trolling. 
 

So what genuine reason is there for a true moderate not to vote for Biden, given the alternative?

I have not seen the flat out lies posted from BIGUN. Do you recall them?

[gowlerk 2,192]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

~37% of America from both sides of the aisle are moderates.

From where I sit I see that most of the problem of polarization and the election of extremes, especially on the right, mainly stems from the unique American primary system and the lower turnout in those crucial contests. 

[billvon 2,991]

21 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Another excellent idea. Maybe I'll ask Jasmin Crockett to give back the $250 I gave her and send it to votevets. Can't give money to everyone, you know, especially when it's futile. 

If it's futile, why would generals waste their time on a useless exercise?  Why would anyone?

If it's not futile, forego a $250 bottle of wine, or a $2500 yacht upgrade, and send money to people whose stated mission is to get the veteran opposition to Trump into the spotlight.  They even state it in their mission statement - "VoteVets . . . uses public issue campaigns to relentlessly lift up the voices of veterans."  They send out newsletters, do email campaigns, fund ads, and yes, even get people like Mattis and Kelly to speak out.

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

I have not seen the flat out lies posted from BIGUN. Do you recall them?

Here you go - for both you and Wendy. 

 

Note that this was not just a throwaway one liner, he spent some time defending the comments, like with "Your googlefu broke? Take each one and put Biden in front of it. Then become an informed reader. Both of them are pieces of shit that I won't vote for"

You think Bigun can give a single honest reason why Biden is a piece of shit apart from lying that he's a rapist? Does Wendy honestly think he could? I don't - it's pretty damn obvious he's just spouting obvious crap that allows him to ignore his conscience while indulging his partisanship.

As much as it might be better another way, the US election is a simple binary choice. And in this case it's a choice between a mostly honest moderate who is mostly just getting on with the job, and a totally corrupt radical who hates the law, hates the constitution, hates the American political system of checks and balances, has nothing but contempt for servicemen, veterans and honest law enforcement. For any real moderate it's an obvious choice.

Edited May 30, 2024 by jakee

[JoeWeber 2,720]

57 minutes ago, billvon said:

If it's futile, why would generals waste their time on a useless exercise?  Why would anyone?

Compared to Mattis or Kelly getting out front and loud now when it's conceivable Trump will be elected, sending $250 to vote vets seems futile to me. The pleasure I get from watching Jasmine jab those asshats in congress is worth every bit of $250. The problem is that when those senior military officers who could make a difference, who served Trump and have direct knowledge, won't scream crap if they just bit a turd it seems especially futile. Tell you what, if BIGUN changes his registration to Democrat I'll send the $250 to votevets.

Edited May 30, 2024 by JoeWeber

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Compared to Mattis or Kelly getting out front and loud now when it's conceivable Trump will be elected, sending $250 to vote vets seems futile to me.

That's like saying "compared to finding a cure for cancer, sending money to cancer cure research seems futile to me."  Perhaps.

But we have cancer cures now.  CAR-T cell therapy is not just a treatment for non-solid-tumor cancer, but a cure.  And they got there because they were funded to get there.

[nigel99 474]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

So what genuine reason is there for a true moderate not to vote for Biden, given the alternative?

I think there are a few good reasons not to vote for him. I think his age is a major concern, as an example.

I don’t think people should be criticised for not voting based on their conviction that neither candidate is suitable. There isn’t an option to vote no. 

I get the argument that not voting potentially helps Trump, but similarly voting for Biden gives him more of a mandate, which a moderate might not want to do.

[gowlerk 2,192]

41 minutes ago, billvon said:

That's like saying "compared to finding a cure for cancer, sending money to cancer cure research seems futile to me."  Perhaps.

But we have cancer cures now.  CAR-T cell therapy is not just a treatment for non-solid-tumor cancer, but a cure.  And they got there because they were funded to get there.

So, are you saying that the cure for cancer is less elusive than the cure for Trump?

[JoeWeber 2,720]

48 minutes ago, billvon said:

That's like saying "compared to finding a cure for cancer, sending money to cancer cure research seems futile to me."  Perhaps.

But we have cancer cures now.  CAR-T cell therapy is not just a treatment for non-solid-tumor cancer, but a cure.  And they got there because they were funded to get there.

Hardly. votevets wants to put veterans in the Congress, Senate, and our state houses. Currently of 82 veterans serving in the House 62 are republicans. Of the 17 serving in the Senate 11 are republicans. Hows that been working for you? 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

45 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I think there are a few good reasons not to vote for him. I think his age is a major concern, as an example.

I don’t think people should be criticised for not voting based on their conviction that neither candidate is suitable. There isn’t an option to vote no. 

I get the argument that not voting potentially helps Trump, but similarly voting for Biden gives him more of a mandate, which a moderate might not want to do.

Hi Nigel,

Re:  There isn’t an option to vote no. 

One can always write-in someone.

Re:   voting for Biden gives him more of a mandate

While I respect anyone's right to vote as they want, to me a Biden mandate is far, far better than Trump.  No matter how you slice it.

To me, voting is almost always the choosing of the lesser of the two evils.  However, I have not seen Joe Biden ever doing something that I would consider a mandate.

In US politics, a mandate usually comes with a very lop-sided win; I doubt that this election will be anything like that.

VOTE FOR BIDEN & SAVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

I get the argument that not voting potentially helps Trump, but similarly voting for Biden gives him more of a mandate, which a moderate might not want to do.

It's not a parliamentary system in the US, so that has nothing to do with it. After the inauguration is over the margin is utterly irrelevant - you either have the mandate of being in the White House, or you lost. Your ability to implement a policy agenda is far more affected by the makeup of the legislature. Biden could win every state except North Dakota and Congressional Republicans still wouldn't cut him any slack.

And in this case, none of that scans anyway. Bigun says he won't vote for Biden because he's a piece of shit, and that's really not something any form of moderate tactical voting can account for.

Edited May 30, 2024 by jakee

[BIGUN 1,314]

Trump guilty. How's that art of the deal working for you now?

Edited May 30, 2024 by BIGUN

[kallend 2,027]

Guilty on ALL charges!

[jakee 1,489]

13 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Trump guilty. How's that art of the deal working for you now?

Cool. What's Biden guilty of that means a moderate could never vote for him?

[BIGUN 1,314]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Tell you what, if BIGUN changes his registration to Democrat I'll send the $250 to votevets.

You're going to make it my fault that you won't send vote vets $250? Do it because you believe in it, but don't make me a mechanism in this.

But keep in mind your $250 had an effect on one person. That $250 could have an effect on many, many in the direction that you're trying to go.

[gowlerk 2,192]

4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You're going to make it my fault that you won't send vote vets $250? Do it because you believe in it, but don't make me a mechanism in this.

But keep in mind your $250 had an effect on one person. That $250 could have an effect on many, many in the direction that you're trying to go.

Maybe we could set up a Go Fund Me to try and buy Keith's vote.

[billvon 2,991]

From the History Channel, talking about Hitler's failed coup:

The failed coup turned out to be quite a boon for Adolf Hitler. His trial brought him more attention and publicity than ever before. With a crowd of thousands—including press from around the world—watching the proceedings, Hitler made the most of this opportunity by going on the offensive.

Taking every chance to turn the subject away from the putsch itself, Hitler frequently made speeches about Germany’s postwar plight. He blamed the Jews, Marxism, and France for all of the country’s problems, repeatedly returning to his theme of hypernationalism. The conservative-leaning judges did nothing to stop Hitler or keep the focus on the attempted coup. The prosecutors, who had been threatened by Hitler’s student followers, shrank from challenging the defendant.

It soon became evident that Hitler was winning the public relations battle by using the 25-day trial as a showcase for his extreme right-wing views, even if he was technically losing the case. In his closing argument, Hitler declared that he would ignore the court’s verdict because the “Eternal Court of History” would acquit him.

After his conviction, Hitler spent the remainder of the year in prison writing the first volume of Mein Kampf. By the time he was released, he had become more popular than ever, and within eight years he had taken over Germany.

I won't make any direct comparisons here since they seem to bug people; draw your own conclusions.

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

So, are you saying that the cure for cancer is less elusive than the cure for Trump?

If I suggested a cure for trump I might get banned and a visit from the authorities.

[Phil1111 1,149]

More than cash

32 minutes ago, kallend said:

Guilty on ALL charges!

How many hundreds of millions will be coughed up now by the poorly educated?

FOX-heads will likely have an interesting take.

Edited May 30, 2024 by Phil1111

[Phil1111 1,149]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

Here you go - for both you and Wendy. 

 

I still don't think he's a liar. More likely just got stirred up by your endlessly yanking his chain.