EV's / hybrids as a hedge against natual disasters

[billvon 2,995]

EV's and PHEV's (and to a lesser degree hybrids) are ways to reduce CO2 emissions and thus reduce the negative effects of climate change.  But they can also have a more immediate impact in terms of dealing with the changes we will see due to climate change - specifically severe weather events like floods, hurricanes, larger storms and more temperature extremes.  One of problems with such events is that it stresses the power grid, and power loss can exacerbate the problems caused by storms and severe weather since sump pumps will fail, gas for regular cars can't be pumped, stores have to close, food spoils etc.

EV's/PHEV's/hybrids can help with this directly by being alternative power sources.  In Houston, a cybertruck was used to keep the gas pumps running at one gas station after the derecho there: https://www.facebook.com/100036628813735/videos/453166057121180/

A hybrid F150 allowed this wedding to continue after an outage:  https://www.businessinsider.com/wedding-guests-save-party-from-power-outage-using-ford-ev-2021-8

Another H-150 owner used his hybrid to power his neighbor's house after his generator ran out of gas:  https://www.core77.com/posts/105538/Amidst-Texas-Blackout-Ford-F-150-Hybrid-Owners-Able-to-Power-Their-Homes-and-Help-Neighbors

And of course, they can help prevent those blackouts to begin with by dumping their own battery power back to the grid when a sudden/unexpected event causes a generation shortfall: https://smartcities.ieee.org/newsletter/november-2021/vehicle-to-grid-demand-response-can-lead-the-way-for-decarbonizing-city-fleets

It should also be noted that since EV batteries are lasting much longer than expected, we may see gas stations like the one in the first link buying someone's ten year old dented up EV/PHEV/HEV for $2000 and parking it in the back forever just in case.  No permitting required and it's still usable as a car if you need it.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

19 minutes ago, billvon said:

EV's and PHEV's (and to a lesser degree hybrids) are ways to reduce CO2 emissions and thus reduce the negative effects of climate change.  But they can also have a more immediate impact in terms of dealing with the changes we will see due to climate change - specifically severe weather events like floods, hurricanes, larger storms and more temperature extremes.  One of problems with such events is that it stresses the power grid, and power loss can exacerbate the problems caused by storms and severe weather since sump pumps will fail, gas for regular cars can't be pumped, stores have to close, food spoils etc.

EV's/PHEV's/hybrids can help with this directly by being alternative power sources.  In Houston, a cybertruck was used to keep the gas pumps running at one gas station after the derecho there: https://www.facebook.com/100036628813735/videos/453166057121180/

A hybrid F150 allowed this wedding to continue after an outage:  https://www.businessinsider.com/wedding-guests-save-party-from-power-outage-using-ford-ev-2021-8

Another H-150 owner used his hybrid to power his neighbor's house after his generator ran out of gas:  https://www.core77.com/posts/105538/Amidst-Texas-Blackout-Ford-F-150-Hybrid-Owners-Able-to-Power-Their-Homes-and-Help-Neighbors

And of course, they can help prevent those blackouts to begin with by dumping their own battery power back to the grid when a sudden/unexpected event causes a generation shortfall: https://smartcities.ieee.org/newsletter/november-2021/vehicle-to-grid-demand-response-can-lead-the-way-for-decarbonizing-city-fleets

It should also be noted that since EV batteries are lasting much longer than expected, we may see gas stations like the one in the first link buying someone's ten year old dented up EV/PHEV/HEV for $2000 and parking it in the back forever just in case.  No permitting required and it's still usable as a car if you need it.

Weren't you hired by some nice people to scarf up as many old EV batteries as possible so a corporation could put on new labels and do all of that at a fair profit? Good thing you don't work for me.

[billvon 2,995]

On 5/18/2024 at 9:30 AM, JoeWeber said:

Good thing you don't work for me.

Yep I'm a terrible liability, I am.

Meanwhile over in Facebookland I've been amused at all the comments by the anti-EVers who loudly and repeatedly claim this could NEVER EVER work, including:

-Gas stations take 1,000 kilowatts and a truck could never supply that!
-Batteries are DC and gas stations use AC stupid!
-Gas station pumps need 480 volts, not 120!
-The battery would run out in minutes!
-The gas station would explode because it's a Tesla!

It seems to have really touched a nerve, perhaps because some gas car drivers do not want to accept that an EV helped other gas car drivers.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

Yep I'm a terrible liability, I am.

Meanwhile over in Facebookland I've been amused at all the comments by the anti-EVers who loudly and repeatedly claim this could NEVER EVER work, including:

-Gas stations take 1,000 kilowatts and a truck could never supply that!
-Batteries are DC and gas stations use AC stupid!
-Gas station pumps need 480 volts, not 120!
-The battery would run out in minutes!
-The gas station would explode because it's a Tesla!

It seems to have really touched a nerve, perhaps because some gas car drivers do not want to accept that an EV helped other gas car drivers.

Yeah, the Anit-EV bigotry and hatred is pretty intense.

I read a lot of articles before buying, and still read some here & there.

The comments are simultaneously hilarious and disturbing.

The level of stupidity, self righteousness, and certainty in them is very similar to climate change or even Covid precautions & vaccines.

[ryoder 1,590]

That is Kid Rock arriving at a rodeo, in a Cybertruck painted to match the "General Lee" (from "Dukes of Hazzard"), driven by John Schneider. So maybe he's trying to make EV's cool with the MAGA demographic.

[billvon 2,995]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The level of stupidity, self righteousness, and certainty in them is very similar to climate change or even Covid precautions & vaccines.

Billvon's Law: Any Internet comment that contains a sarcastic comment along the lines of "hey genius" will contain basic errors in math, logic and/or grammar.

[billvon 2,995]

13 minutes ago, ryoder said:

That is Kid Rock arriving at a rodeo, in a Cybertruck painted to match the "General Lee" (from "Dukes of Hazzard"), driven by John Schneider. So maybe he's trying to make EV's cool with the MAGA demographic.

Until someone says the Cybertruck is woke.  Then he will have to boycott it.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

1 hour ago, ryoder said:

That is Kid Rock arriving at a rodeo, in a Cybertruck painted to match the "General Lee" (from "Dukes of Hazzard"), driven by John Schneider. So maybe he's trying to make EV's cool with the MAGA demographic.

Hi Robert,

I had one go by my house yesterday.  They are very strange looking; but, maybe they will grow on me.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

23 hours ago, billvon said:

Billvon's Law: Any Internet comment that contains a sarcastic comment along the lines of "hey genius" will contain basic errors in math, logic and/or grammar.

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! You went to MIT and that's your Law?

[BartsDaddy 7]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! You went to MIT and that's your Law?

Did you find religion Joe?

[gowlerk 2,198]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! You went to MIT and that's your Law?

It is kind of weak for such an accomplished man. 

[billvon 2,995]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! You went to MIT and that's your Law?

Every school has their underachievers.

[CygnusX-1 43]

On 5/21/2024 at 12:00 PM, billvon said:

-Gas stations take 1,000 kilowatts and a truck could never supply that!

You learn something every day. I did not know that gas stations take 1,000 kW to operate. They must be a real strain on the aging electrical grid. Oh, oh, oh, I know. All we have to do is close down 1 or 2 gas stations per subdivision. That way when we must be forced to buy and charge our EVs all at the same time, we will not be overloading the grid. Problem solved.

Thanks Internet nay-sayers.

[billvon 2,995]

3 hours ago, CygnusX-1 said:

All we have to do is close down 1 or 2 gas stations per subdivision.

The perfect solution to power shortages!  We can stop wasting all that money on grid improvements and storage, and just start closing gas stations.  Problem solved!

[BIGUN 1,317]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

The perfect solution to power shortages!  We can stop wasting all that money on grid improvements and storage, and just start closing gas stations.  Problem solved!

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but in thinking about it - why do we need four gas stations on every corner? And if city governments limited the number of gas stations per x number of blocks?

[gowlerk 2,198]

16 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but in thinking about it - why do we need four gas stations on every corner? And if city governments limited the number of gas stations per x number of blocks?

That would be an anti-free market action. And I have noticed you having trouble picking up on sarcasm before. I'll give you a hint. If you think it might be, then it almost certainly is. 

[BIGUN 1,317]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

That would be an anti-free market action.

It happens all the time with zoning regulations. 

[billvon 2,995]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic

Sorry being sarcastic.  Gas stations don't take that much power, and closing them should happen naturally if at all.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

6 hours ago, gowlerk said:

That would be an anti-free market action. And I have noticed you having trouble picking up on sarcasm before. I'll give you a hint. If you think it might be, then it almost certainly is. 

Easy to say but in reality there’s no place for sarcasm on the internet.

[gowlerk 2,198]

28 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Easy to say but in reality there’s no place for sarcasm on the internet.

Sarcasm and cynicism "R" Us. 

Edited May 24, 2024 by gowlerk

[BIGUN 1,317]

13 hours ago, gowlerk said:

And I have noticed you having trouble picking up on sarcasm before.

Nonverbal cues play a crucial role in detecting sarcasm. They provide valuable information about the speaker’s intentions and emotions. When trying to determine if someone is being sarcastic, pay attention to their facial expressions and body language. Sarcasm is often accompanied by a smirk, raised eyebrows, or a wry smile. These subtle cues can indicate that the speaker is not being sincere and is using sarcasm to convey their true meaning.

If you are unsure whether someone is being sarcastic, don’t be afraid to seek clarification. Ask the speaker to clarify their statement or express your uncertainty. This can help prevent misunderstandings and improve communication.

https://everydayspeech.com/sel-implementation/reading-between-the-lines-recognizing-sarcasm-in-communication/

[JoeWeber 2,720]

15 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Nonverbal cues play a crucial role in detecting sarcasm. They provide valuable information about the speaker’s intentions and emotions. When trying to determine if someone is being sarcastic, pay attention to their facial expressions and body language. Sarcasm is often accompanied by a smirk, raised eyebrows, or a wry smile. These subtle cues can indicate that the speaker is not being sincere and is using sarcasm to convey their true meaning.

If you are unsure whether someone is being sarcastic, don’t be afraid to seek clarification. Ask the speaker to clarify their statement or express your uncertainty. This can help prevent misunderstandings and improve communication.

https://everydayspeech.com/sel-implementation/reading-between-the-lines-recognizing-sarcasm-in-communication/

Far out! You don't need AI, you're half way out the door already.

[BIGUN 1,317]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Far out! You don't need AI, you're half way out the door already.

Your attempt at sarcasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 5/23/2024 at 12:45 PM, BIGUN said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but in thinking about it - why do we need four gas stations on every corner? And if city governments limited the number of gas stations per x number of blocks?

Do property assessments base don highest and best use, which will generally increase property taxes for gas stations in urban environments and you solve that problem.

[brenthutch 444]

On 5/18/2024 at 12:08 PM, billvon said:

“EV's/PHEV's/hybrids can help with this directly by being alternative power sources”

Batteries are not a power source they are merely a store of power. Fossil fuel generators are an actual source of power. To be fair wind and solar are also a source of power, albeit intermittent and unreliable.