Biden-Trump Debate

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

Hi folks,

Since this will be all over the news for quite some time, might as well have it here.

It if was not so stupid, it would be hilarious:  Trump demands drug test for Biden

Donald Trump demands drug test for President Biden ahead of first debate (thehill.com)

I think Joe should demand a mental health test for Trumpy.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,806]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Since this will be all over the news for quite some time, might as well have it here.

It if was not so stupid, it would be hilarious:  Trump demands drug test for Biden

Donald Trump demands drug test for President Biden ahead of first debate (thehill.com)

I think Joe should demand a mental health test for Trumpy.

Jerry Baumchen

I think an ask for a Trump drug test is in order.

[billvon 3,058]

4 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Since this will be all over the news for quite some time, might as well have it here.

It if was not so stupid, it would be hilarious:  Trump demands drug test for Biden

He should absolutely get a drug test, post that he passed with flying colors, then promise to release the actual results just as soon as his lawyers say it's OK, because of HIPPA laws and all that.  Perhaps in November.

Or better yet, get a doctor to write him a letter that says not only are there no drugs at all in his system, he is the most healthy and intelligent 80 year old in America.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Of course, Trumpty Dumpty and his minions are all claiming that the debate is 'rigged'.

How? They won't (can't) say.

Edit to add link:
https://thehill.com/elections/4667479-lara-trump-joe-biden-donald-trump-debates-rigged/

Edited May 19, 2024 by wolfriverjoe

[JoeWeber 2,806]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

He should absolutely get a drug test, post that he passed with flying colors, then promise to release the actual results just as soon as his lawyers say it's OK, because of HIPPA laws and all that.  Perhaps in November.

Or better yet, get a doctor to write him a letter that says not only are there no drugs at all in his system, he is the most healthy and intelligent 80 year old in America.

Biden could simply with a wand wave command that an onsite Walter Reed Hospital drug testing trailer will be at the debate for everyones convenience and then spend the next months talking about it. Of course, as a personal courtesy, he'd invite Trump to participate and allow his personal physician to attend the testing. That'd put the blowhard in a tailspin.

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

12 hours ago, billvon said:

He should absolutely get a drug test, post that he passed with flying colors, then promise to release the actual results just as soon as his lawyers say it's OK, because of HIPPA laws and all that.  Perhaps in November.

Or better yet, get a doctor to write him a letter that says not only are there no drugs at all in his system, he is the most healthy and intelligent 80 year old in America.

Hi Bill,

This 80+ yr old considers himself healthy; at least, that is what my doctor says at my annual physical.  The intelligent part, well I'll let others ponder that.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Faicon9493 141]

On 5/18/2024 at 8:32 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Since this will be all over the news for quite some time, might as well have it here.

It if was not so stupid, it would be hilarious:  Trump demands drug test for Biden

Donald Trump demands drug test for President Biden ahead of first debate (thehill.com)

I think Joe should demand a mental health test for Trumpy.

Jerry Baumchen

Joe should demand that Trump shouldn't come up with an excuse not to show up.

[JoeWeber 2,806]

4 hours ago, Faicon9493 said:

Joe should demand that Trump shouldn't come up with an excuse not to show up.

Agreed. However he won't do it the way it needs to be done if he does it at all. For example he would need to get dirty and make a big joke of it all and by extension Trump. Saying on live TV something like, "Oh, Trump can't shut up or put up. You know, like in court, as everyone knows. He'll come up with some excuse like another kids graduation or no fresh diapers. Whatever, I'll be there."

[billeisele 130]

The tragedy in this whole thing is that these two are the main choices. Unless the Democrats pull some crazy last-minute stunt removing Joe and replacing him with ????  Seems that the best and brightest are staying out of politics.

It's interesting that Nikki and Donald appear to making up. Some of the talking heads think she would be his best choice for a running mate. If Joe and Kamala can make friends after their nasty comments, anything is possible.

[wmw999 2,514]

25 minutes ago, billeisele said:

The tragedy in this whole thing is that these two are the main choices. Unless the Democrats pull some crazy last-minute stunt removing Joe and replacing him with ????  Seems that the best and brightest are staying out of politics.

Well, the Republicans could also remove Trump and replace him with almost anyone and it'd be an improvement. That said, I completely agree. I do think the isolation chambers that many of our "news" sources provide will make any reasonably intelligent person who isn't either already in politics or a megalomaniac shy away. Every single one of us has skeletons in our closets, and who wants everyone talking about them.

For example, look at the demonization of both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton. There are examples on the left I'm sure, but I'm less familiar with them, just as you might not consider the treatment of those two ladies to have been unfair. 

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 2,806]

2 hours ago, billeisele said:

The tragedy in this whole thing is that these two are the main choices.

The real tragedy, at the moment, is the amount of airtime this incessantly repeated talking point gets. We all get it and we've all chewed every last bit off that bone again and again. It's going to be voting for one or the other or abdicating the most solemn responsibility a citizen has in any democracy which is to vote.

Truly we have too long known all we need to know about the difference between the candidates. It is what it is: how will you act?

[winsor 236]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

Well, the Republicans could also remove Trump and replace him with almost anyone and it'd be an improvement. That said, I completely agree. I do think the isolation chambers that many of our "news" sources provide will make any reasonably intelligent person who isn't either already in politics or a megalomaniac shy away. Every single one of us has skeletons in our closets, and who wants everyone talking about them.

For example, look at the demonization of both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton. There are examples on the left I'm sure, but I'm less familiar with them, just as you might not consider the treatment of those two ladies to have been unfair. 

Wendy P. 

If The Donald had a debilitating stroke, or some other medical condition that rendered him unable to run and caused him to STFU as well, pretty much any of the also-rans would be an improvement on either candidate.

Having Harris as POTUS is damned near as bad as H. R. Clinton.  Krusty the Clown would be an improvement on either.

We need someone who understands Economics, Arithmetic (they're not the same), History, and truly understands the work of Niccolo Machiavelli and Sun Tzu.

I suspect having a Theater Arts Minor might help.

Any way you cut it, we're doomed.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

 

[wmw999 2,514]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

We need someone who understands Economics, Arithmetic (they're not the same), History, and truly understands the work of Niccolo Machiavelli and Sun Tzu.

That kind of describes Hillary Clinton. If she were a man, she'd be considered a hardass who can get things done. Since she's a woman and a liberal (sort of), she's the bitch-devil incarnate.

Wendy P. 

 

 

[gowlerk 2,241]

44 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

That kind of describes Hillary Clinton. If she were a man, she'd be considered a hardass who can get things done. Since she's a woman and a liberal (sort of), she's the bitch-devil incarnate.

Wendy P. 

 

 

Winsor seems to dislike female D politicians almost as reflexibly as he does Muslims. I'm not sure what to make of it. The general hate on the right for Hillary seems to be the result of a long term focused slander campaign in the FOX and friends media. The hate goes beyond ordinary political dislike and seems visceral.  

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

That kind of describes Hillary Clinton. If she were a man, she'd be considered a hardass who can get things done. Since she's a woman and a liberal (sort of), she's the bitch-devil incarnate.

Wendy P. 

 

 

Hi Wendy,

You are so correct.

In 2008, I absolutely did not want Hillary to get the nomination; which IMO she thought she deserved. After she became Sec of State, and worked her butt off in that job, I changed my mind.

She would have made a damn good POTUS IMO.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Winsor seems to dislike female D politicians almost as reflexibly as he does Muslims. I'm not sure what to make of it. The general hate on the right for Hillary seems to be the result of a long term focused slander campaign in the FOX and friends media. The hate goes beyond ordinary political dislike and seems visceral.  

Well Duh. A woman in a position of power over a uneducated white man. How more oppressive can you get. Hold my beer while I check her e-mails for the evidence.

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

Hi folks,

Today, Joe Biden said:  "America is the only country in the world founded on an idea that all people are created equal, deserves to be treated equally throughout their lives," . . .  "We've never fully lived up to that but we've never ever walked way from it."

On the other hand:  , , ,  on Monday [ DonaldTrump] took to social media to attack writer E. Jean Carroll and others, including judges in his cases. . . "Happy Memorial Day to All, including the Human Scum that is working so hard to destroy our Once Great Country”

 On Memorial Day, Biden recognizes son, war dead in Arlington National Cemetery (msn.com)

The choice is very easy.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Edited May 27, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[winsor 236]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

That kind of describes Hillary Clinton. If she were a man, she'd be considered a hardass who can get things done. Since she's a woman and a liberal (sort of), she's the bitch-devil incarnate.

Wendy P. 

 

 

"Did you get the Radio Announcer job?"

"N- n- n- no, they di- di- di- didn't hire me 'cause I'm Je- Je- Je- Jewish."

Hillary Clinton is beneath contempt, and being female has nothing to do with it.  When she 'stood by her man' in an interview in which he responded to questions regarding infidelity with references to 'rough patches' in any marriage, it told me everything I needed to know about her, that she was every bit as loathsome as him.  She has since done everything to support that assessment.

Trump blurts out whatever crosses his mind, without consideration for what might or might not be the 'facts.'  Since truth is but an abstract concept to him, calling him a liar is giving him too much credit.  HRC, OTOH, would appear to know the difference when she puts forth an endless stream of self-serving falsehoods.

When I vote, I don't take race or sex into account - unless the candidate makes it an issue.  If someone says 'vote for me because I'm a straight white male' or 'vote for me because I'm black and bisexual,' they've just lost my vote either way.  If they say 'vote for me because I'm the most dedicated and competent candidate, and I have coherent plans to address the key issues about which you are concerned,' I couldn't care less what are their demographic particulars.

It concerns me that your priority appears to be more who a candidate is than what are their agenda.  Your right, I suppose.

[billvon 3,058]

52 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Well Duh. A woman in a position of power over a uneducated white man. How more oppressive can you get. 

How's a white guy to retain any privilege at all?  Next thing you know he'll be working for a black guy, and we all know the only way that can happen is via some sick and twisted DEI affirmative action thing.  Because as all reasonable uneducated white men know, blacks normally aren't better than whites.

[winsor 236]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Winsor seems to dislike female D politicians almost as reflexibly as he does Muslims. I'm not sure what to make of it. The general hate on the right for Hillary seems to be the result of a long term focused slander campaign in the FOX and friends media. The hate goes beyond ordinary political dislike and seems visceral.  

I dunno, Krysten Sinema and Tulsi Gabbard have dabbled with Democratic affiliation, and I find their political skill sets entertaining.

Muslims adhere to an ideology that very specifically mandates that I be killed on the spot.  I know I'm being unfair by taking exception to that, but I'm kinda thin skinned about people who feel they're doing me a favor by failing to decapitate me.

During the Clinton administration I spent a lot of time around Beltway types as well as people who campaigned with the Clintons.  The picture painted by both their gushing supporters and mild detractors was largely consistent, and I have yet to see any indication that she is not sleazy.

What little I know about Fox is pretty much second hand.  You likely know more than do I.

[JerryBaumchen 1,421]

13 minutes ago, winsor said:

"Did you get the Radio Announcer job?"

"N- n- n- no, they di- di- di- didn't hire me 'cause I'm Je- Je- Je- Jewish."

Hillary Clinton is beneath contempt, and being female has nothing to do with it.  When she 'stood by her man' in an interview in which he responded to questions regarding infidelity with references to 'rough patches' in any marriage, it told me everything I needed to know about her, that she was every bit as loathsome as him.  She has since done everything to support that assessment.

Trump blurts out whatever crosses his mind, without consideration for what might or might not be the 'facts.'  Since truth is but an abstract concept to him, calling him a liar is giving him too much credit.  HRC, OTOH, would appear to know the difference when she puts forth an endless stream of self-serving falsehoods.

When I vote, I don't take race or sex into account - unless the candidate makes it an issue.  If someone says 'vote for me because I'm a straight white male' or 'vote for me because I'm black and bisexual,' they've just lost my vote either way.  If they say 'vote for me because I'm the most dedicated and competent candidate, and I have coherent plans to address the key issues about which you are concerned,' I couldn't care less what are their demographic particulars.

It concerns me that your priority appears to be more who a candidate is than what are their agenda.  Your right, I suppose.

Hi winsor,

Re:   it told me everything I needed to know about her

By that measure, we should judge you by what you did in the back seat of your dad's car when you were 17; right?

People mature & change; at least, that is how I understand it.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[winsor 236]

Fond memories of time spent in the back of the Vista Cruiser...

Yeah, you'd have a pretty good handle on my motivations.

Having said that, as a teenager I was a Boy Scout and took the Scout Law seriously.  Still do.

I'm largely fine with people who disagree with me but are sincere.  I have no time for the dishonest, whether or not they appear to be on my side of an issue.

[Phil1111 1,149]

36 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi winsor,

Re:   it told me everything I needed to know about her

By that measure, we should judge you by what you did in the back seat of your dad's car when you were 17; right?

People mature & change; at least, that is how I understand it.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Well some do. For some its anything in a skirt when they are young. For those who can't change its porn stars when their wife is pregnant.

[billvon 3,058]

Fun note:

During a FOX News interview an interviewer asked Trump about his now-famous "lock her up!" chants, which of course are now coming back to bite him, since he now faces prison time for his felony convictions.

Trump now claimed that he never said that; that imprisoning Clinton “would have been a terrible thing.  I didn’t say ‘lock her up,’ but the people would all say ‘lock her up, lock her up.’”

Thus simultaneously lying about something very easy to check, and blaming his supporters for the now-dangerous comparison.

Up next - Trump claims he never said "sleepy Joe" "lyin' Hillary" or "Shady Comey."

[billeisele 130]

Been busy ignoring the law, doing Carolina Fest and recovering since my last visit here. Getting too old to make 6 jumps a day and party.  All interesting and agreeable comments.

It's easy to look at a limited group of facts for any of those mentioned and create a positive or negative picture. As an example, about all I recall on HRC are Benghazi, the server in the house, the destroyed emails and the Steele document. Noting that there was no prosecution is a distracting topic. I'm certain she did some good work I just have no recall of it.

Jerry said, "the choice is very easy."  It seems that's the case for many people. Some like Biden and some like Trump. Those that like Biden say, "I don't see how anyone could vote him, he's a womanizer and a convicted felon." Those that like Trump say, "I don't see how anyone could vote for him, he's senile, wrecked the economy and opened the border."  

The candidates are fighting for those that are left over. According to the media that's the black vote, the younger crowd and some others. 

I've noticed in my social groups that no one is talking politics unless they know the person they are speaking with has the same opinions. Nine at lunch today, 7 men, 2 women, 48 - 73 years old. Talked about all kinds of things but not politics. The biggest laugh was the 50-year old birthday girl that said, "some sexual harassment would be appreciated about now." 

It's too divisive.