Biden-Trump Debate

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Time to run the white flag up over the White House.

Re:  The president had, in the first 30 minutes of the debate, fully affirmed doubts about his fitness.

Democrats Face the Hard Truth: It Might Be Time to Talk About Biden’s Retirement - POLITICO

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Even Gen. Paulus knew when it was time to quit.  Battle of Stalingrad - Wikipedia

 

Time to think strategically. It's time for Harris to bow out to spend more time gardening. Then Biden picks a semi-liberal white male for his running mate who isn't yet 72, who has executive experience, has at least a few gray hairs, and who is from a mid-west industrial state that leans red: Sherrod Brown comes to mind. 

Then hope like hell.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

I don’t know why you guys are shocked, the man has been in obvious decline for years.   

We aren’t. We’re displaying honesty and rationality. We recognize that there are likely enough voters who will vote Trump, regardless of the depth and breadth of the problems that brings, over a sad old man who needs to let go and that democracy as we know it now will be at risk.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Oh, and, um, maybe there should be some discussion in the White House about the next debate.........

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

Hi folks,

One of my favorite tv shows is Washington Week, should be a good one tonite.

Washington Week with The Atlantic PBS

Check your local listings.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Time to think strategically. It's time for Harris to bow out to spend more time gardening. Then Biden picks a semi-liberal white male for his running mate who isn't yet 72, who has executive experience, has at least a few gray hairs, and who is from a mid-west industrial state that leans red: Sherrod Brown comes to mind. 

Then hope like hell.

Hi Joe,

Not going to work.  IMO the only way to beat Trump is with a whole new team.

At this time, Biden is far worse than a lame duck.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Not going to work.  IMO the only way to beat Trump is with a whole new team.

At this time, Biden is far worse than a lame duck.

Jerry Baumchen

The mechanism to emplace a whole new team isn't straight forward, it seems. Also, while we agree about Biden we are still waiting on post debate polling for guidance. We're also waiting to see if Trump is put in the can by Merchan. Now that would be some real patriotism.

[billvon 2,991]

14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Also, while we agree about Biden we are still waiting on post debate polling for guidance.

Exactly.  We need to see what our opinions are before we have them prematurely.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

20 minutes ago, billvon said:

Exactly.  We need to see what our opinions are before we have them prematurely.

Hi Bill,

Sure, go ahead & wait until Nov  5th & see what happens.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  I just got a text from the Biden camp; it ends with this:  'Because as you read this, Trump is hammering Joe Biden.'

No shit!!!!!!!!

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

42 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

The mechanism to emplace a whole new team isn't straight forward, it seems. Also, while we agree about Biden we are still waiting on post debate polling for guidance. We're also waiting to see if Trump is put in the can by Merchan. Now that would be some real patriotism.

Hi Joe,

What I am reading, the DNC is not going to like it.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Can Biden be replaced as Democrat nominee? Who could replace him? (bbc.com)

Democrats backed into a corner over Biden's performance (bbc.com)

Edited June 28, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

What I am reading, the DNC is not going to like it.

Jerry Baumchen

Well, I'm standing by for the learned opinions of people who still have landlines and answer unknown callers.

[tkhayes 348]

On 5/27/2024 at 2:00 PM, wmw999 said:

That kind of describes Hillary Clinton. If she were a man, she'd be considered a hardass who can get things done. Since she's a woman and a liberal (sort of), she's the bitch-devil incarnate.

Wendy P. 

 

 

America would elect a black man before it would elect a woman.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, tkhayes said:

America would elect a black man before it would elect a woman.

That’ll be the day.

[gowlerk 2,192]

If the D party dares to nominate Biden in spite of the fact that he clearly is not up to the job then they deserve to lose. Good luck America. Maybe God will bless you.

[ryoder 1,590]

5 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Bernie is 82. But still coherent and looks good in mittens.

If you want to see a lengthy interview with an 87yo who is razor-sharp, watch this:

The Fog of War (2003)

[normiss 800]

Biden's speech after the debate

Prior to seeing this speech, I was seriously concerned as well, but he IS doing a great job in office.

Seems he might have a cold? I think he started out quite nervous, then the constant stream of nothing but lies set him back on his heels. Backed into a corner his stutter took over.

I'll take stuttering truths and accomplishments over a global disaster of a rapist convicted felon POTUS every day.

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

1 minute ago, normiss said:

Biden's speech after the debate

Prior to seeing this speech, I was seriously concerned as well, but he IS doing a great job in office.

Seems he might have a cold? I think he started out quite nervous, then the constant stream of nothing but lies set him back on his heels. Backed into a corner his stutter took over.

I'll take stuttering truths and accomplishments over a global disaster of a rapist convicted felon POTUS every day.

 

Hi Mark,

If Joe Biden is the DNC nominee, I will support him & vote for him.

However, he will not win.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

2 minutes ago, normiss said:

Biden's speech after the debate

Prior to seeing this speech, I was seriously concerned as well, but he IS doing a great job in office.

Seems he might have a cold? I think he started out quite nervous, then the constant stream of nothing but lies set him back on his heels. Backed into a corner his stutter took over.

I'll take stuttering truths and accomplishments over a global disaster of a rapist convicted felon POTUS every day.

 

Just as I predicted, Trump Gish Galloped his way through the debate, and Heather Cox Richardson agrees:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-27-2024

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

8 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Just as I predicted, Trump Gish Galloped his way through the debate, and Heather Cox Richardson agrees:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-27-2024

Hi Robert, 

From your link:   the fact that Trump lied and rambled incoherently, ignored questions to say whatever he wanted; refused to acknowledge the events of January 6, 2021; and refused to commit to accepting the result of the 2024 presidential election

Did anyone expect anything else?

Her thoughts are more of a, 'Hey, look over here' than acknowledging that Joe made those on the fence about his physical & mental condition, reach a conclusion.

Maybe if Joe wins the decathlon this summer in Paris, he can salvage last nite's peformance.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[gowlerk 2,192]

20 minutes ago, normiss said:

Biden's speech after the debate

Prior to seeing this speech, I was seriously concerned as well, but he IS doing a great job in office.

Seems he might have a cold? I think he started out quite nervous, then the constant stream of nothing but lies set him back on his heels. Backed into a corner his stutter took over.

I'll take stuttering truths and accomplishments over a global disaster of a rapist convicted felon POTUS every day.

 

It’s nice that he can still stand at a podium and read a speech from a teleprompter. But that won’t be enough to undo the damage. Nor should it be. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

51 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

If the D party dares to nominate Biden in spite of the fact that he clearly is not up to the job then they deserve to lose. Good luck America. Maybe God will bless you.

 

41 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mark,

If Joe Biden is the DNC nominee, I will support him & vote for him.

However, he will not win.

Jerry Baumchen

Fine defeatist attitudes if there ever was two. A leader surrounds themselves with the best advisors, listens to their council and then makes decisions.

Even if Biden becomes incapacitated he has a qualified VP.

trump on the other hand will surround himself with the worst of the worst. In addition if the GOP seizes control of the government. With the Chevron decision and a USSC that see's itself as law unto itself. It will gut every environmental and social law- precedent ever made. The US will become one giant pseudo-christian, AR-15 a-totin, corporate free for all.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, Phil1111 said:

 

Fine defeatist attitudes if there ever was two. A leader surrounds themselves with the best advisors, listens to their council and then makes decisions.

Even if Biden becomes incapacitated he has a qualified VP.

trump on the other hand will surround himself with the worst of the worst. In addition if the GOP seizes control of the government. With the Chevron decision and a USSC that see's itself as law unto itself. It will gut every environmental and social law- precedent ever made. The US will become one giant pseudo-christian, AR-15 a-totin, corporate free for all.

That's correct and why I am scrubbing my internet presence, going long Roubles, and buying lots of Red Ball Caps and an embroidery machine.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

6 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

 

Fine defeatist attitudes if there ever was two. A leader surrounds themselves with the best advisors, listens to their council and then makes decisions.

Even if Biden becomes incapacitated he has a qualified VP.

trump on the other hand will surround himself with the worst of the worst. In addition if the GOP seizes control of the government. With the Chevron decision and a USSC that see's itself as law unto itself. It will gut every environmental and social law- precedent ever made. The US will become one giant pseudo-christian, AR-15 a-totin, corporate free for all.

Hi Phil,

I appreciate your thoughts.  However, not everyone is in agreement:  In the early hours of Friday morning, a string of high-profile Democratic strategists, pundits, and former officials joined the call for Mr. Biden to bow out.

Katty Kay: Reality sinks in as Democrats weigh Biden's future (bbc.com)

I would like to have been the proverbial fly on the wall during those calls.

I would really like to see Joe Biden defeat Trump.  Trump is one of the most worthless people this country has ever produced.  And, Joe is a really nice guy.

However, that does not win elections.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  As regards 'defeatist,' I prefer realist.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

I appreciate your thoughts.  However, not everyone is in agreement:  In the early hours of Friday morning, a string of high-profile Democratic strategists, pundits, and former officials joined the call for Mr. Biden to bow out.

Katty Kay: Reality sinks in as Democrats weigh Biden's future (bbc.com)

I would like to have been the proverbial fly on the wall during those calls.

I would really like to see Joe Biden defeat Trump.  Trump is one of the most worthless people this country has ever produced.  And, Joe is a really nice guy.

However, that does not win elections.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  As regards 'defeatist,' I prefer realist.

 

Agreed. The whole thing sucks. The reality is that there is not unlimited time until there is no more time so if Biden can be replaced with a better choice it has to be on the table and open for discussion. That is what realists do. If Trump is sent to the slammer or some other debilitating thing befalls him or if there is no replacement than we continue eyes wide open.

[JerryBaumchen 1,363]

8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Agreed. The whole thing sucks. The reality is that there is not unlimited time until there is no more time so if Biden can be replaced with a better choice it has to be on the table and open for discussion. That is what realists do. If Trump is sent to the slammer or some other debilitating thing befalls him or if there is no replacement than we continue eyes wide open.

Hi Joe,

Nobody can win an election with their head in the sand.

The DNC must face the truth.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

Nobody can win an election with their head in the sand.

The DNC must face the truth.

Jerry Baumchen

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