Biden-Trump Debate

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

6 minutes ago, billeisele said:

Been busy ignoring the law, doing Carolina Fest and recovering since my last visit here. Getting too old to make 6 jumps a day and party.  All interesting and agreeable comments.

It's easy to look at a limited group of facts for any of those mentioned and create a positive or negative picture. As an example, about all I recall on HRC are Benghazi, the server in the house, the destroyed emails and the Steele document. Noting that there was no prosecution is a distracting topic. I'm certain she did some good work I just have no recall of it.

Jerry said, "the choice is very easy."  It seems that's the case for many people. Some like Biden and some like Trump. Those that like Biden say, "I don't see how anyone could vote him, he's a womanizer and a convicted felon." Those that like Trump say, "I don't see how anyone could vote for him, he's senile, wrecked the economy and opened the border."  

The candidates are fighting for those that are left over. According to the media that's the black vote, the younger crowd and some others. 

I've noticed in my social groups that no one is talking politics unless they know the person they are speaking with has the same opinions. Nine at lunch today, 7 men, 2 women, 48 - 73 years old. Talked about all kinds of things but not politics. The biggest laugh was the 50-year old birthday girl that said, "some sexual harassment would be appreciated about now." 

It's too divisive. 

Hi Bill,

In 1964, I joined the Portland Fire Bureau.  There were no female firefighters then.  In the fire house, we could not talk about politics, religion or women.

While we have 'some' Trump supporters here in Oregon; I estimate them at about 25% of the voting public.

IMO it was the GOP that made politics too divisive.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Good post; should get people thinking.

PPS)  You got a phone number for the woman who said, "some sexual harassment would be appreciated about now."

[billeisele 130]

4 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

In 1964, I joined the Portland Fire Bureau.  There were no female firefighters then.  In the fire house, we could not talk about politics, religion or women.

While we have 'some' Trump supporters here in Oregon; I estimate them at about 25% of the voting public.

IMO it was the GOP that made politics too divisive.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Good post; should get people thinking.

PPS)  You got a phone number for the woman who said, "some sexual harassment would be appreciated about now."

lol - this group has known and worked with each other - some for 30+ years. Of the nine, 5 are retired. There were always female employees and plenty of joking around back when smoking and drinking in the office was OK. Then the no-fun police, social promotions and DEI-like stuff started up. Recently there was a "preferential hire" that quit when her new boss was chosen. She stated, "I'm not working for her, she's not qualified." Uh .... how about look in the mirror, you were the ultimate minority hire, been there 7 years and still won't do the job. It's all about perspective.

As for the chica, out of the office she's a hoot. She'll pile it on along with everyone. She has a 17-year old daughter that's quite cute. She used to occasionally come to the office so we know Abby as a sub 10-year old. Today one of the guys asked about Abby, mom says, "OMG it's terrible, I know how I was at that age, and she's eaten plenty of McDonalds hamburgers." The McD's comment was a reference to the hormones in fast food burgers and the "believed" affect on girls.

As for politics, SC is a mostly red state. This group is, guessing, 70% red. One person is quite vocal and blue. He'll dominant a conversation about politics. Not fun.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

33 minutes ago, billeisele said:

lol - this group has known and worked with each other - some for 30+ years. Of the nine, 5 are retired. There were always female employees and plenty of joking around back when smoking and drinking in the office was OK. Then the no-fun police, social promotions and DEI-like stuff started up. Recently there was a "preferential hire" that quit when her new boss was chosen. She stated, "I'm not working for her, she's not qualified." Uh .... how about look in the mirror, you were the ultimate minority hire, been there 7 years and still won't do the job. It's all about perspective.

As for the chica, out of the office she's a hoot. She'll pile it on along with everyone. She has a 17-year old daughter that's quite cute. She used to occasionally come to the office so we know Abby as a sub 10-year old. Today one of the guys asked about Abby, mom says, "OMG it's terrible, I know how I was at that age, and she's eaten plenty of McDonalds hamburgers." The McD's comment was a reference to the hormones in fast food burgers and the "believed" affect on girls.

As for politics, SC is a mostly red state. This group is, guessing, 70% red. One person is quite vocal and blue. He'll dominant a conversation about politics. Not fun.

I recommend deleting this entire post before jakee rises from his nap.

[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I recommend deleting this entire post before jakee rises from his nap.

Exactly how much time each day do you spend thinking about me? Don’t get me wrong, I’m flattered, I just never realised I was that interesting. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Oops.
Double posted it somehow, instead of adding an edit.
See post below.

Edited June 6, 2024 by wolfriverjoe

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

13 hours ago, billeisele said:

... Those that like Trump say, "I don't see how anyone could vote for him, he's senile, wrecked the economy and opened the border."..  
 

Right. 

Any proof of that senility? Other than speech patterns COMPLETELY CONSISTENT with a stutter?

Wrecked the economy?

Seriously? Inflation is under control.
Job creation is at levels NEVER seen before.
Unemployment is at levels for lengths of time not seen in SEVENTY YEARS.

And what 'open border'?
Please provide evidence.
 

You know, like numbers of deportations. Which are higher than when Trump was in office.
The numbers of people attempting to cross is up some, but the ones detained keep saying that they are being told that the border is open and they can come right in.
Who keeps repeating that?
And Biden got a "Border Bill" put together. Which was a hell of an accomplishment. It had just about everything the Rs wanted.
But Trumpty Dumpty decided he wanted the crisis to continue so that he had something to cry and lie about.
So he had his little bitch Johnson kill it.

Those that like Trump are STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE HIS BULLSHIT.

Period.

Edited June 6, 2024 by wolfriverjoe

[ryoder 1,590]

36 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Wrecked the economy?

Seriously? Inflation is under control.
Job creation is at levels NEVER seen before.
Unemployment is at levels for lengths of time not seen in SEVENTY YEARS.

And the S&P500 set a record yesterday.

It's just horrible!

[gowlerk 2,190]

38 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Who keeps repeating that?

The right wing media repeats all these things over and over. It works, after hearing the news source enough times all the bullshit just becomes fact in the minds of the listeners. It's just the same as cheering for your local sports team. There is no good reason to believe they are better people, but it doesn't matter you support your team.

[billvon 2,991]

43 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And what 'open border'?
Please provide evidence.

Yep.  He actually tried to close the border via legislation, but republicans shot that down because they wanted a border disaster to get people like Bill E riled up.  He then closed the border via executive order yesterday.  How odd that FOX News isn't reporting that.

[Stumpy 284]

13 hours ago, billeisele said:

Noting that there was no prosecution is a distracting topic

There is so much in your post that really just speaks to the bias of the MSM that you consume.

The one point I'd push on is the quote above - you should ask yourself why you think that is, given that the GOP would fall over themselves to prosecute if they had a single decent iota of proof, or evidence of wrongdoing

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Just now, billvon said:

FOX News

Not news.

When they defend against multiple defamation suits with the claim that 'no reasonable person would believe that statement', then they're just...

Lies.
Propaganda.
Garbage.

And some people actually believe the bullshit.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

13 hours ago, billeisele said:

I've noticed in my social groups that no one is talking politics unless they know the person they are speaking with has the same opinions.

 

13 hours ago, billeisele said:

It's too divisive.

Unless you are comfortable with the general attitudes in red South Carolina and are happy to take a Trump presidency if it means not making social waves then you really aren't helping. The absolute easiest, and most useless, tack anyone can take in a dialogue or conversation is to be totally opinion neutral, avoid being honest or, in it's absolute worst variation opine that some people are saying as some kind of evidence.

Here's an opinion: I see no real evidence of senility in Biden, the economy is doing great considering the rising inflationary environment he inherited which takes time to fix, and Trump, supported by his complicit republican cultists, killed a border deal crafted in the Senate to hurt the nation and benefit his campaign or that would be on the mend now.

[billvon 2,991]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

Here's an opinion: I see no real evidence of senility in Biden, the economy is doing great considering the rising inflationary environment he inherited which takes time to fix, and Trump, supported by his complicit republican cultists, killed a border deal crafted in the Senate to hurt the nation and benefit his campaign or that would be on the mend now.

And on the other side of the equation, Trump's constant confusion over who the current president is indicates he's declining rather rapidly.  Consider this from a recent speech he gave:

"We’re going to place strong protections to stop banks and regulators from trying to debank you . . . from your . . . your political beliefs what they do. They want to debank you. We’re going to debank all . . .  think of this. They want to take away your country.  Electric cars."

And in his most recent video he is literally foaming at the mouth - and appears unaware of it.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-foamy-saliva-campaign-video-1908878

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, billvon said:

And on the other side of the equation, Trump's constant confusion over who the current president is indicates he's declining rather rapidly.  Consider this from a recent speech he gave:

"We’re going to place strong protections to stop banks and regulators from trying to debank you . . . from your . . . your political beliefs what they do. They want to debank you. We’re going to debank all . . .  think of this. They want to take away your country.  Electric cars."

And in his most recent video he is literally foaming at the mouth - and appears unaware of it.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-foamy-saliva-campaign-video-1908878

For anyone who refuses to believe it and needs video:

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/trump-speech-debank-extremists-jim-jordan-rcna134524

Or, if MSNBC is too liberal and you prefer X:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1747818968549634411?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1747818968549634411|twgr^a860636adbc0ea45ff67c8cd74c744ba00c460d5|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fiframe.nbcnews.com%2FqxV23c3%3F_showcaption%3Dtrueapp%3D1

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

5 hours ago, billvon said:

And on the other side of the equation, Trump's constant confusion over who the current president is indicates he's declining rather rapidly...

While I haven't watched the actual 'interview', there are lots of reports that Fox edited the living shit out of what he said.

The 2 basic assumptions are that he's going completely off the rails and saying all sorts of things that he shouldn't or that he's become so incoherent that nobody at all (in their right mind or not) would support him.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/seems-fox-news-edited-trump-132723547.html

[billvon 2,991]

And in more recent news, the RNC announced the upcoming GOP convention with a picture showing . . . a city in Vietnam.

What message are they trying to send here?  Or did they do something stupid like letting Trump touch a computer, or letting one of Trump's toadies run things?

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

For anyone who refuses to believe it and needs video:

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/trump-speech-debank-extremists-jim-jordan-rcna134524

Or, if MSNBC is too liberal and you prefer X:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1747818968549634411?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1747818968549634411|twgr^a860636adbc0ea45ff67c8cd74c744ba00c460d5|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fiframe.nbcnews.com%2FqxV23c3%3F_showcaption%3Dtrueapp%3D1

 

And some more Trump neurological problems:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1798837557662540256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1798837557662540256|twgr^9cb22ea3b25f0c659d9d59ad0cfae4d0a836544b|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Fr%2Fentryeditor%2F2668473350advanced

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 5/27/2024 at 2:18 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

By that measure, we should judge you by what you did in the back seat of your dad's car when you were 17; right?

Or just by what he did in the seat of his own car.

[billvon 2,991]

12 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

And some more Trump neurological problems:

https://x.com/Acyn/status/1798837557662540256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1798837557662540256|twgr^9cb22ea3b25f0c659d9d59ad0cfae4d0a836544b|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2Fr%2Fentryeditor%2F2668473350advanced

Unplug him and plug him back in.  Everything will be fine.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, billvon said:

Unplug him and plug him back in.  Everything will be fine.

MIT grad, more patents than Carter has little liver pills, sought after by used EV battery recyclers, and that's what you've learned? Alrighty then, will do.

[nigel99 471]

Honestly watching the debate the US has two truly awful choices.

Biden looks and sounds terrible, I feel incredibly sorry for him.

Trump is simply a liar and has so far had no policy or substance.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

46 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

Honestly watching the debate the US has two truly awful choices.

Biden looks and sounds terrible, I feel incredibly sorry for him.

Trump is simply a liar and has so far had no policy or substance.

Hi Nigel,

I think Jill needs to have a serious sit-down & discussion tonite.

Jerry Baumchen

[brenthutch 444]

When even MSNBC is savaging Biden’s performance it is a rough night for the Ds.

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Honestly watching the debate the US has two truly awful choices....

Agree

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

...Biden looks and sounds terrible, I feel incredibly sorry for him....

Agree

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

...Trump is simply a liar and has so far had no policy or substance.

He has already stated a policy. Revenge and a dictatorship. It seems as if there could be a old man as president who has to rely upon his wife and advisors to make good decisions.

Or there could be an emboldened trump lying more, starting fights and battles everywhere. Using his authority to strike at anyone he sees as disloyal. With no regard for morals or the law. He will be surrounded by a dozen Stephen Millers with everyone on steroids.

In other political news, Oklahoma has announced that the bible and ten commandments are to be deeply integrated into all school curriculums.

 

[nigel99 471]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Nigel,

I think Jill needs to have a serious sit-down & discussion tonite.

Jerry Baumchen

Hi Jerry,

I agree. David Pakman just did his analysis and basically summed up saying people need to remember they are voting for the administration and not the man, when they are voting for Biden.

I think the honourable thing for Biden to do would be to throw his support behind someone else and give them his blessing. If he doesn’t I suspect my prediction from a few months ago holds true and Trump will win.