Shameful

[kallend 2,026]

Maternal Deaths per 100,000 live births, wealthy nations:

United States 22.3

New Zealand 13.6

S. Korea 8.8

Canada 8.4

France 7.6

United Kingdom 5.5

Australia 3.5

Germany 3.5

Japan 3.4

Netherlands 2.8

Sweden 2.6

Switzerland 1.2

Norway 0

Guess which is the only one of the above without universal health care.

 

[Phil1111 1,149]

Probably the best single argument as to why the US is not the best country in the world. WTF is it with Norway: EV sales 91.5% market share

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Guess which is the only one of the above without universal health care....

.But the US does have permitless carry!

[BIGUN 1,306]

40 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Probably the best single argument as to why the US is not the best country in the world.

This was from an article done by CNN with the goal of highlighting the need for universal healthcare in the US and was disingenuous. There's numerous factors defining MMR; Some countries use within 42 weeks, some up to a year after the child is born, some include direct conditions and others indirect. Age and race plays a factor. Women in the US over 40 have a considerably higher MMR than those under 25. Do doctors classify it as Maternal Morbidity or Maternal Mortality (there's a difference).

Even WHO states there are ongoing efforts to develop and validate tools to measure maternal morbidity.

The Democratic Republic of Congo has the highest MMR rate in the world with 547/100,000 (as of 2020) Some of their numbers include Covid. DRC has implemented Universal Healthcare care for all pregnant women including comprehensive abortion services, but their MMR is still the highest in the region.

It's a complex situation worthy of more than a single article by CNN espousing again; Norway great, US bad.    

[BIGUN 1,306]

On that note; how come no one ever talks about Norway's tax revenue from Oil & Gas exports?

The net government cash flow from petroleum activities, 1971-2023

 

Edited June 4, 2024 by BIGUN

[gowlerk 2,190]

14 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

On that note; how come no one ever talks about Norway's tax revenue from Oil & Gas exports?

The net government cash flow from petroleum activities, 1971-2023

 

Are you trying to say that the USA can't afford universal healthcare because it lacks revenue from oil and gas extraction? If not then what is the point of this deflection?

[Phil1111 1,149]

2 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

On that note; how come no one ever talks about Norway's tax revenue from Oil & Gas exports?

Because responsible use of resource incomes is the elephant in the room. The $1.7 trillion US fund which represents $300k for every man woman and child in Norway. Alberta $22 billion CDN, Texas $24 billion.

Both Texas and Alberta spend instead of saving whereas Norway saves the most. Few other jurisdictions save natural resource revenues.

[Phil1111 1,149]

29 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

This was from an article done by CNN with the goal of highlighting the need for universal healthcare in the US and was disingenuous. ...

It's a complex situation worthy of more than a single article by CNN espousing again; Norway great, US bad.    

I just happened to pick Norway because it was the best example from the originating post. Now I know Norway is a soft point for conservatives. I.E. trump,immigrants from  "shithole countries" v Norwegian immigrants....

 

[kallend 2,026]

40 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Are you trying to say that the USA can't afford universal healthcare because it lacks revenue from oil and gas extraction? If not then what is the point of this deflection?

Deflection IS the point.

As is comparison of health in rich nations with the situation in Congo.

[Phil1111 1,149]

28 minutes ago, kallend said:

Deflection IS the point.

As is comparison of health in rich nations with the situation in Congo.

Keep in mind that Maternal Deaths per 100,000 live births will never be a topic on FOX news. Because FOX viewers will see it as some sort of sub rosa argument for universal health care.

Nah, only Trump's lawyers and educated acolytes concealing truth or facts would know.

[BIGUN 1,306]

39 minutes ago, kallend said:

Deflection IS the point.

As is comparison of health in rich nations with the situation in Congo.

So, when I do it; it's deflection. When you do it; it's a comparison. Just shout deflection and deflect it. 

[Phil1111 1,149]

9 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

So, when I do it; it's deflection. When you do it; it's a comparison. Just shout deflection and deflect it. 

Well there is this relevant point: US produces more Oil than ANY country Ever! for your first comparason. For the last six years in a row it led the world.

Oh well, It does have permitless open carry.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

On that note; how come no one ever talks about Norway's tax revenue from Oil & Gas exports?

The net government cash flow from petroleum activities, 1971-2023

 

They, to be gender neutral, also kill whales and eat them. Maybe if we spread our oil wealth around between the states and killed whales we'd have better health care. 

[BIGUN 1,306]

48 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

for your first comparason. For the last six years in a row it led the world.

You forgot the parts-per 100,000 

[jakee 1,489]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

On that note; how come no one ever talks about Norway's tax revenue from Oil & Gas exports?

The net government cash flow from petroleum activities, 1971-2023

 

So Norway does really well because it socialises much more of its oil and gas revenue than other countries?

I think that’s a great topic to talk about. You go first.

[kallend 2,026]

7 hours ago, BIGUN said:

So, when I do it; it's deflection. When you do it; it's a comparison. Just shout deflection and deflect it. 

It's rather weird/desperate  to suggest that the OP of the thread was a deflection from itself.

Be that as it may, by just about any cost or outcome based metric you can come up with, the US does poorly in health care compared with any other first world nation all of which have universal health care.  We aren't even up to the standards of Cuba!

That you had to cite Congo in order to make the US look good is clear indicator.

[BIGUN 1,306]

8 minutes ago, kallend said:

It's rather weird/desperate  to suggest that the OP of the thread was a deflection from itself.

What I said to the OP was - when you make comparisons; it's OK, but when I do it; it's deflection. 

13 minutes ago, kallend said:

Be that as it may, by just about any cost or outcome based metric you can come up with, the US does poorly in health care compared with any other first world nation all of which have universal health care. 

We've had this discussion. Until we stop spending as much as the next seven countries on our military. ridding our selves of the medical/pharma [all] lobbyists, and paying everyone to be our friend; it's not going to happen. 

15 minutes ago, kallend said:

We aren't even up to the standards of Cuba!

I would hope we could do better. Their system is not that great a model.  

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, BIGUN said:

What I said to the OP was - when you make comparisons; it's OK, but when I do it; it's deflection. 

We've had this discussion. Until we stop spending as much as the next seven countries on our military. ridding our selves of the medical/pharma [all] lobbyists, and paying everyone to be our friend; it's not going to happen. 

I would hope we could do better. Their system is not that great a model.  

Lobbyists and buying friends aside, where would you start cutting 50% off our military budget?

[BIGUN 1,306]

34 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

where would you start cutting 50% off our military budget?

Between 2001 and 2022, the U.S. spent over $8 trillion on war. The U.S. comprises just over 4% of the world’s population, but we're responsible for 40% of global military spending. And with all that money spent – has global security improved over the same time frame?  

Economies of scale. We don’t need five branches. One scaled down US Military. We also don’t need sixteen intelligence agencies. Scale it to one.  

[ryoder 1,590]

Whoa! I've suddenly found myself agreeing enthusiastically with Bigun!

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

17 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Between 2001 and 2022, the U.S. spent over $8 trillion on war. The U.S. comprises just over 4% of the world’s population, but we're responsible for 40% of global military spending. And with all that money spent – has global security improved over the same time frame?  

Economies of scale. We don’t need five branches. One scaled down US Military. We also don’t need sixteen intelligence agencies. Scale it to one.  

Hi Keith,

I have always wondered about this.  It is one of those:  We've always done it this way.

Total waste,

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Between 2001 and 2022, the U.S. spent over $8 trillion on war. The U.S. comprises just over 4% of the world’s population, but we're responsible for 40% of global military spending. And with all that money spent – has global security improved over the same time frame?  

Economies of scale. We don’t need five branches. One scaled down US Military. We also don’t need sixteen intelligence agencies. Scale it to one.  

Put the Coast Guard in charge? That's some nice stuff to say but there is zero detail. For the purpose of understanding, and for starters, what bloat would you cut from each branch. 

[BIGUN 1,306]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

what bloat would you cut from each branch. 

Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Security. Everything that is duplicitous. Aircraft, Infantry, Air Defense, Artillery, Supply, Logistics, Admin, finance, medical, etc.  

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Security. Everything that is duplicitous. Aircraft, Infantry, Air Defense, Artillery, Supply, Logistics, Admin, finance, medical, etc.  

Freudian slip? No matter, I agree that somebody needs to do something. Damn, where's Genghis Khan when you need him?

[BIGUN 1,306]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

what bloat would you cut from each branch. 

The US Army has its own Navy - that is larger than some countries Navies. ~$129 Million a year. 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

4 hours ago, BIGUN said:

The US Army has its own Navy - that is larger than some countries Navies. ~$129 Million a year. 

Which countries? The Congo and Luxembourg? That's military chump change. One Nuclear powered aircraft carrier costs $8M per day, on average, so that's two weeks of operations for one. We have 11 of those. I'm thinking you need to take this one back to the drawing board.