Trump

[olofscience 480]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Did you get the news? 
“Crude oil is quoted in U.S. dollars (USD). Countries that import oil pay for it in the greenback. Similarly, those that export the commodity receive payment in USD. This system dates back to the early 1970s after the collapse of the Bretton Woods gold standard. This period saw the rise of the petrodollar system, which promoted the U.S. dollar's rise as the world's reserve currency. Oil producers and purchasers use this system to trade in the commodity in U.S. dollars.”

 

You're setting up strawmen again. Nobody said the US dollar wasn't the world's reserve currency. But that's different from it being the world's currency - it's not, and Biden didn't cause the global increase in inflation rates. COVID-19 (and Russia's invasion of Ukraine) did that.

Again, nobody can print dollars except for the US Federal Reserve. Countries can dig up and sell oil only in US dollars, but they can't print any dollars.

 

Your strawmen arguments are getting sillier and sillier that you've been caught out.

Edited June 11, 2024 by olofscience

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

BTW inflation during Trump 2.1% 1.9% 2.3% and 1.4%

Biden 7.00% 6.5% 3.4%

Why do you do this to yourself? What is the benefit of making yourself look this bad?

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

“Petrodollars are oil export revenues denominated in U.S. dollars. Petrodollars are not a distinct currency; they are simply U.S. dollars accepted as payment by an oil exporter”

Class dismissed 

Sure sounds like you’re explaining to the class how inflation wasn’t caused by printing money then.

[obelixtim 150]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

The money was raised by/from Silicon Valley millionaires not working class MAGA types.

Why would silicon valley moguls give Trump money, when Biden is investing heavily in their industries? I'd suggest mom and pop maga donating some of their welfare cheques is a lot more likely. 

Edited June 11, 2024 by obelixtim

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Ahh the twitter generation. Just short talking points/headlines are used to try and explain complex issues...

 

Yeah, inflation is just cause Biden printed dollars....lol

[billvon 2,991]

3 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Yeah, inflation is just cause Biden printed dollars....lol

And all the COVID deaths and shutdowns started under Trump.

"Wait!  It's more complex than that!  You have to consider this and that and the other thing that I found!  And Fauci!  And Hunter's laptop!  It's COMPLICATED I tell you!"

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, obelixtim said:

Why would silicon valley moguls give Trump money, when Biden is investing heavily in their industries? I'd suggest mom and pop maga donating some of their welfare cheques is a lot more likely. 

From the BBC

“Nobody’s excited about Biden right now,” claimed David Sacks, an influential investor, on his popular All In podcast. “There’s a lot of people who I do think support Trump.”

The billionaire venture capitalist is holding a fundraiser for Trump at his mansion on “billionaire’s row” in San Francisco on Thursday evening.”

I guess billionaires can be moms and pops too.

Edited June 11, 2024 by brenthutch

[jakee 1,489]

10 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

I guess billionaires can be moms and pops too.

They can also be - oh what’s the word - fucking insane.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_O._Sacks
 

Since October 2022, David Sacks has been increasingly commenting on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, typically taking an anti-US involvement in Ukraine, and especially US military funding for Ukraine.[67] Some of his claims include the "US dispatching an Army General to assume de-facto command of the Ukrainian Army".[68] In an article for Newsweek, Sacks argued that continued military support for Ukraine could lead to “Woke War III”.[69] Sacks' posts on X are often countered by the platform's Community Notes, which he believes are subject to being "gamed by the Ukrainian info war op" against him.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, brenthutch said:

From the BBC

“Nobody’s excited about Biden right now,” claimed David Sacks, an influential investor, on his popular All In podcast. “There’s a lot of people who I do think support Trump.”

The billionaire venture capitalist is holding a fundraiser for Trump at his mansion on “billionaire’s row” in San Francisco on Thursday evening.”

I guess billionaires can be moms and pops too.

Not really. More likely is they are just like you: mine now. Except they are fully insulated from the hell Trumps Presidency will force on average folks.

[brenthutch 444]

36 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Not really. More likely is they are just like you: mine now. Except they are fully insulated from the hell Trumps Presidency will force on average folks.

Average folks faired better during the Trump administration, inflation interest rates were a fraction of what they are now under the Biden Administration. Real wages for the average American have gone down, crisis at the border, interest rates making housing unaffordable… all under JB.

[obelixtim 150]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

From the BBC

“Nobody’s excited about Biden right now,” claimed David Sacks, an influential investor, on his popular All In podcast. “There’s a lot of people who I do think support Trump.”

The billionaire venture capitalist is holding a fundraiser for Trump at his mansion on “billionaire’s row” in San Francisco on Thursday evening.”

I guess billionaires can be moms and pops too.

I think this is fake news...

[jakee 1,489]

40 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Average folks faired better during the Trump administration, inflation interest rates were a fraction of what they are now under the Biden Administration. Real wages for the average American have gone down, crisis at the border, interest rates making housing unaffordable… all under JB.

Or to put it another way, Trump presided over the crash and Biden is presiding over the recovery.

[brenthutch 444]

44 minutes ago, obelixtim said:

I think this is fake news...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckvv3zpeywko
 

You didn’t think, you guessed and you guessed wrong 

[billvon 2,991]

1 hour ago, obelixtim said:

I think this is fake news...

You think?  A right wing activist who has pledged to use "his wealth and online clout to unite conservatives and former leftists in a reactionary movement against liberalism" isn't being 100% honest in what people are telling him about a liberal president?  O the horror!  If you can't trust dishonest right wing activists with an anti-liberal agenda, who can you trust?

[billvon 2,991]

From the "yes he really said this" files -

Trump decided to opine on electric boats.  "I say what would happen if the boat sank from its weight?  And you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately ten yards over there? By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, did you notice that? I watched some guys justifying it today, ‘well they weren’t really that angry, they bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was. . . .

So there’s a shark ten yards, or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking and water goes over the battery? Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted, or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? You know what I would do, if there’s a shark or get electrocuted? I would take electrocuted every single time. I’m not gettin’ near the shark."

So there's that.  Trump rallies his supporters behind the benefits of EV boats over the threat of sharks!  And perhaps the value of educating sharks so they know who people are.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Average folks faired better during the Trump administration, inflation interest rates were a fraction of what they are now under the Biden Administration. Real wages for the average American have gone down, crisis at the border, interest rates making housing unaffordable… all under JB.

Just out of curiosity, do you think Trump handled the start of the Covid pandemic well?

[grimmie 186]

Average folks fared better under trump unless they were LGBTQ, Muslim, judges, Hispanic, election workers, caught Covid or were Capitol Police officers.

 

Although…Stormy Daniels and E Jean Carroll had a prosperous run.

 

 

[obelixtim 150]

13 hours ago, billvon said:

From the "yes he really said this" files -

Trump decided to opine on electric boats.  "I say what would happen if the boat sank from its weight?  And you’re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there’s a shark that’s approximately ten yards over there? By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately, did you notice that? I watched some guys justifying it today, ‘well they weren’t really that angry, they bit off the young lady’s leg because of the fact that they were not hungry, but they misunderstood who she was. . . .

So there’s a shark ten yards, or here. Do I get electrocuted if the boat is sinking and water goes over the battery? Do I stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted, or do I jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? You know what I would do, if there’s a shark or get electrocuted? I would take electrocuted every single time. I’m not gettin’ near the shark."

So there's that.  Trump rallies his supporters behind the benefits of EV boats over the threat of sharks!  And perhaps the value of educating sharks so they know who people are.

No shark wouldn't want a piece of him, he's too toxic. Any that did take a chomp, would spit him out pretty damn quick...

[obelixtim 150]

14 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckvv3zpeywko
 

You didn’t think, you guessed and you guessed wrong 

Just using a line from the MAGA playbook..

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

17 minutes ago, obelixtim said:

Just using a LIE from the MAGA playbook..

FIFY.

[tkhayes 348]

22 hours ago, brenthutch said:

You need to learn the difference between fiscal policy and monetary policy.

BTW inflation during Trump 2.1% 1.9% 2.3% and 1.4%

Biden 7.00% 6.5% 3.4%

correlation, but not causation

And then there is the fact that trump is a one-term twice impeached president, and a 34 count indicted felon.  And he stole millions of dollars from his charity, got caught, pled guilty, paid millions in fines and had his foundation shut down - something you have yet to even acknowledge happened.

and Joe Biden has never been under any criminal investigation by any LEO ever for anything.

so there is that.

 

So can you admit that Donald J Trump and his family member stole millions from his charity?  This is a test of your actual connection to the real world.  I will anticipate your diversion and digression with erect nipples.

Edited June 12, 2024 by tkhayes
typos

[kallend 2,027]

10 minutes ago, tkhayes said:

correlation, but not causation

And then there is the fact that trump is a one-term twice impeached president, and a 34 count indicted felon.  And he stole millions of dollars from his charity, got caught, pled guilty, paid millions in fines and had his foundation shut down - something you have yet to even acknowledge happened.

 

The Trump kids were involved in that too; family fraud.

Then there's Trump U - fraud, fined $25M

Trump Organization - criminal tax fraud, fined $1.6M

Trump Real Estate - fraud, fined $364M 

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 hours ago, tkhayes said:

and Joe Biden has never been under any criminal investigation by any LEO ever for anything.

Not entirely true. Joe Biden was under DOJ investigation, who than decided not to pursue charges.

[brenthutch 444]

On 6/11/2024 at 6:54 PM, SkyDekker said:

Just out of curiosity, do you think Trump handled the start of the Covid pandemic well?

Who did? DeSantis did better than Newsom but the virus did what viruses do, nobody was unscathed.

Edited June 12, 2024 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Who did? DeSantis did better than Newsom but the virus did what viruses do, nobody was unscathed.

Pretty sure DeSantis and Newsom didn't lead countries.

How would the economy be better under Trump post pandemic than it has been under Biden? How would Trump have shepherded and led the country through the pandemic?