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[jakee 1,489]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

The choice is thus akin to having to choose between having to eat excrement and poison - which can be a tough decision.

And to be honest, is it? Someone you truly believe will follow through on their threat holds a gun to your head and says they'll paint the wall with your brains unless you eat a chunk of shit... is there anyone here who is seriously going to stand on their principles of hygiene at that point?

Like the political choice - you've got Trump with his stated aim of dismantling constitutional democracy, or 4 years of more kids learning about the truth of slavery in schools and a few more black people being hired in front of white prep schoolers. Is that a tough choice, even if you really, really, really think the white guys should get the job?

Edited August 8, 2024 by jakee

[billvon 2,989]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

woke Marxism

Proof that Goebbels was right.

[tkhayes 348]

On 6/8/2024 at 5:10 PM, brenthutch said:

Raises 12 million dollars in Nancy Pelosi’s district in one night 

Still waiting for a reply to what you will do/think/support when Trump loses yet another election....?

[headoverheels 333]

3 hours ago, winsor said:

The choice is thus akin to having to choose between having to eat excrement and poison - which can be a tough decision.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

Are you sure that it isn't like either being electrocuted or being eaten by a shark?

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

3 hours ago, winsor said:

I know enough people who loathe the Republican candidate but utterly despise woke Marxism that your evaluation is not entirely accurate.

The choice is thus akin to having to choose between having to eat excrement and poison - which can be a tough decision.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

Hi Winsor,

Would that be two; or would it be three?

Jerry Baumchen

[winsor 236]

11 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

Are you sure that it isn't like either being electrocuted or being eaten by a shark?

 

Nah, putting up with the Mango Mussolini any further is positively revolting, but the alternative is on a par with Rome turning their defenses over to the Visigoths, which was catastrophic.  I'm sure it sounded like a good idea at the time...

[jakee 1,489]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

Nah, putting up with the Mango Mussolini any further is positively revolting, but the alternative is on a par with Rome turning their defenses over to the Visigoths, which was catastrophic.  

That's a great point and all, except for one tiny thing which is, err... why?

[obelixtim 150]

8 hours ago, nigel99 said:

The scary thing about Donald and MAGA is that they are an extremist group and cult. There are a couple of social psychology theories that predict the likely trajectory of Donald and MAGA as they lose the limelight and power.

We’re likely to see the following escalation from Donald, I realise he already ticks many of the boxes but it's likely to increase. 

1. Increased use of dramatic, emotive and inflammatory rhetoric to galvanise his base.
2. Blaming and scapegoating external enemies (Dem’s and media etc) and internal traitors. Using conspiracies to explain his declining popularity.
3. Increasing emphasis on how he is the one and only true saviour for the country.
4. Increasing repression against perceived internal dissenters to try and prevent defections.
5. Increasing the “us vs. them” mentality and attempting to rally his base against a common enemy.

For the MAGA crowd, we are likely to see them:

1. Increased loyalty and radicalisation. Doubling down on their commitment to Donald as he faces external criticism. Starting off with increased pressure to conform and dissenting voices being suppressed, but escalating to purges and purity tests as they get rid of people they perceive as traitors.
2. Increased solidarity and cohesion within MAGA as they become more extreme and insular against the ‘threat’ against Donald. Intensified propaganda and public displays of loyalty to Donald.
3. Hostility and violence towards their political opponents, seen as a threat to Donald. 

We tend to overestimate how intelligent and rational people are and that surely “they will see the light”. Unfortunately I don’t think there is a ‘happy ending’ at the end of this election cycle, and that after 'another loss' the MAGA crowd will turn to violence. If you’re interested have a look at Conflict Theory and Social Identity Theory.

I think once he is behind bars or under the ground, a lot of these Maga idiots will melt into the dark. They are a bunch of cowards, despite all their tough talk. And the FBI, LE, and DOJ will be ready for them this time, especially if Garland is replaced by someone a little less concerned with "optics" in an attempt to be "fair". If the blue wave sweeps the house and senate clean, then perhaps the SC can be sorted out as well. This will go a long way to negating any threats MAGA pose. I think they overestimate themselves hugely, because as far as I can see, most Americans are heartily sick of their nonsense. 

Edited August 8, 2024 by obelixtim
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[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

4 minutes ago, obelixtim said:

I think once he is behind bars or under the ground, a lot of these Maga idiots will melt into the dark. They are a bunch of cowards, despite all their tough talk. And the FBI, LE, and DOJ will be ready for them this time, especially if Garland is replaced by someone a little less concerned with "optics" in an attempt to be "fair". If the blue wave sweeps the house and senate clean, then perhaps the SC can be sorted out as well. This will go a long way to negating any threats MAGA pose. I think they overestimate themselves hugely, because as far as I can see, most Americans are heartily sick of their nonsense. 

Hi Tim,

Re:   because as far as I can see, most Americans are heartily sick of their nonsense. 

IMO this is what will cost him the election.  I think most people are simply sick & tired of it & him.  

And, it seems as though there is a lot of muted anger because of the Dobbs decision.

Jerry Baumchen

[winsor 236]

19 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Tim,

Re:   because as far as I can see, most Americans are heartily sick of their nonsense. 

IMO this is what will cost him the election.  I think most people are simply sick & tired of it & him.  

And, it seems as though there is a lot of muted anger because of the Dobbs decision.

Jerry Baumchen

I think the Dobbs decision was technically correct, even though I'm pro-death.

Using the First Amendment to keep people from inflicting their superstitions on others could be grounds for ensuring that first-trimester abortion be safe, legal and available.

A careful review of the Constitution fails to support policies I recommend.  Among those is a more complete separation of powers, such that members of the Judicial branch are kept out of the Executive or Legislative branches except as employees.

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

33 minutes ago, winsor said:

I think the Dobbs decision was technically correct, even though I'm pro-death.

Using the First Amendment to keep people from inflicting their superstitions on others could be grounds for ensuring that first-trimester abortion be safe, legal and available.

A careful review of the Constitution fails to support policies I recommend.  Among those is a more complete separation of powers, such that members of the Judicial branch are kept out of the Executive or Legislative branches except as employees.

Hi Winsor,

Re:  I think the Dobbs decision was technically correct *

My post had nothing to do with the merits of the decision.  It had to do with how women feel about the loss of access to abortions.

Jerry Baumchen

* I had a discussion not long ago about the Dobbs decision, with my son, who is an attorney.  While not all attorneys always agree, he feels that the premise used by Alito was wrong.

 

[JoeWeber 2,720]

8 hours ago, winsor said:

I know enough people who loathe the Republican candidate but utterly despise woke Marxism that your evaluation is not entirely accurate.

The choice is thus akin to having to choose between having to eat excrement and poison - which can be a tough decision.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

Bollocks. There is no equivalency between not caring which pronoun a person prefers and someone who is bent on being an autocrat and ignoring the constitution. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Winsor,

Re:  I think the Dobbs decision was technically correct *

My post had nothing to do with the merits of the decision.  It had to do with how women feel about the loss of access to abortions.

Jerry Baumchen

* I had a discussion not long ago about the Dobbs decision, with my son, who is an attorney.  While not all attorneys always agree, he feels that the premise used by Alito was wrong.

 

Hi folks,

Re:   It had to do with how women feel about the loss of access to abortions.

Apparently, Trump thinks [ or wishes ] abortion will not be an issue on 5 Nov.  I disagree.

Donald Trump: Abortions not 'big factor' in elections anymore (thehill.com)

Following the overturning of Roe, Walz was the first governor to codify abortion access in his state through legislation.

This is but one reason why people like him.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

Hi folks,

As I continue to say:  Trump is his own worst enemy.

At his press conference today, here is one take:   But the attacks got rather lost in his grievance about crowd sizes and how they are reported, even suggesting that there may be something unconstitutional about Harris’s campaign.

And this, which is what is driving him nuts:  And, then it was over. And, as if to prove a point, within minutes of Trump walking off stage, the fickle cable news cameras had shifted their lenses from Florida to Michigan where Harris and Walz were holding a meeting with union workers. It was the Democrats time for some press coverage. Once again.

Katty Kay: Trump fights for spotlight as Democrats dominate coverage (bbc.com)

His ego will not let her have the spotlight; which Kamala & Tim have been dominating.

I fully expect him to come unglued in the days ahead.

Stay tuned, film at 11.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,590]

16 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

I fully expect him to come unglued in the days ahead.

And once again I must ask: How would we detect a difference?

[lippy 918]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

And once again I must ask: How would we detect a difference?

Indeed….I saw a few edited videos of today’s presser and it was so bad, I hopped over to Fox’s YouTube feed to see if it was really that bad in its entirety….the only thing worse than his rambling was the stream of comments praising his leadership. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

2 hours ago, ryoder said:

And once again I must ask: How would we detect a difference?

Hi Robert,

This will help:

Jerry Baumchen

[Erroll 80]

16 hours ago, winsor said:

woke Marxism

Nobody who still uses the term 'woke' should expect to be taken seriously. 

[kallend 2,026]

Here's a new one:

“Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me”

[jakee 1,489]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

Here's a new one:

“Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me”

He was asked if he was worried about Kamala's rally, he responded by saying he had bigger crowds than Martin Luther King.

Yeah, he's not worried at all.

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

Hi folks,

It could not be more true:  Readers respond: Harris rattling Trump’s strongman image - oregonlive.com

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,354]

5 hours ago, kallend said:

Here's a new one:

“Nobody has spoken to crowds bigger than me”

Hi John,

It would appear that not everyone agrees with him:  Harris has generated significant media attention by drawing the largest crowds of any Democratic event this campaign cycle in recent days. 

Donald Trump faces questions about getting outworked by Kamala Harris (thehill.com)

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  And this:  It’s unfamiliar territory for Trump, who is used to dominating the headlines

Poor widdo guy, nobody wants him. Shucks.

 

[obelixtim 150]

And his story about nearly dying in a helicopter accident has been exposed as total fiction. He's living in Disneyland...

[jakee 1,489]

And let me see if I've got this right - he told the story about a helicopter accident to show how well he knows Willie Brown, Kamala's old mentor... but not only was there no incident, he was actually on the helicopter with Jerry Brown?

[billvon 2,989]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

And let me see if I've got this right - he told the story about a helicopter accident to show how well he knows Willie Brown, Kamala's old mentor... but not only was there no incident, he was actually on the helicopter with Jerry Brown?

Well he got the last name right at least.  That's better than he's been doing with Obama vs Biden vs Harris.