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[jaybird18c 24]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

Vast? That is some take. Is it basic maths or the meaning of words that the Army doesn’t teach you?

Basic “maths.” 

[brenthutch 444]

57 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

it sure does. Often more than one Administration. Specially considering leasing the land doesn't yet grant you the right to drill, need another permit for that. Which makes the following pretty interesting:

Federal Acres leased in first 19 months of term:

• Obama 7.25 million
• Trump 4.4 million

Add to that the fact that Biden approved 50% more oil and gas drilling permits in his first three years in office compared to Trump's first three years in office. Certainly seems you have Democrats to thank for these record production numbers......

 

 

 

“The Biden administration’s pace of oil and gas leasing isn’t just slow – it’s the slowest in half a century. A Wall Street Journal analysis of federal acres leased for oil and gas production over the past 50 years revealed that the Biden administration leased a historic low of 0.13 million acres during its first 19 months compared to the 4.4 million acres auctioned for lease during the first year and a half of the Trump presidency.”

[billvon 3,006]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

King was jailed several times.

1) Trump didn't rape anyone!
2) OK maybe they found him liable but it's not REALLY rape because reasons.
3) King did it first

Did you ever think when you were younger that, one day, you'd be supporting a rapist?

[gowlerk 2,216]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

Nobody gives a shit what democrats think for the next two years.

Considering that the Rs in the House can't agree on much or pass anything without D votes you may find yourself and your extreme religious agenda frustrated by reality. 

[kallend 2,027]

We are indeed lucky to have such a knowledgeable president elect:

 

[normiss 806]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Vast? That is some take. Is it basic maths or the meaning of words that the Army doesn’t teach you?

He's clearly ignorant of the fact that all Americans did not / do not vote.

It's hurts his maths.

[normiss 806]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Vast? That is some take. Is it basic maths or the meaning of words that the Army doesn’t teach you?

He's clearly ignorant of the fact that all Americans did not / do not vote.

It's hurts his maths.

[normiss 806]

interesting how one click affects the matrix

Edited November 8, 2024 by normiss

[jakee 1,500]

57 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Basic “maths.” 

Uh, yeah exactly, that 'vast' 0.7% is doing some really heavy lifting. 

[riggerrob 643]

On 11/6/2024 at 9:38 AM, kallend said:

Self serving lying foul-mouthed bigots, apparently.

“The government you elect is the government you deserve.”

— Thomas Jefferson

 

There is a fine line between freedom of speech and slander. Sadly, this distinction has disappearred from modern social discourse.

[jakee 1,500]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

Should definitely take it seriously and not listen to people fighting the system when they have charges from the establishment:

There is not one single person in the USA who is a more strongly embedded member of the establishment than Donald J Trump. He was born into a billionaire family. He attended private boarding schools and an Ivy League college. He was President. His allies control congress. His daughter in law chairs the Republican party. He appointed the Director of the FBI who oversaw the raid on his property. He appointed half of the Supreme Court who invented legal immunity for him. He appointed the Judge who was hearing and out of nowhere dismissed his most serious case. 

But sure, he's exactly like a black man fighting for civil rights in the '60s. What in the seven blue blazes of Jesus, Mary and Joseph the fuck are you talking about? 

[gowlerk 2,216]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Uh, yeah exactly, that 'vast' 0.7% is doing some really heavy lifting. 

It is small, but significant. Just the fact that he won the popular vote is going to be something that we will hear over and over. The liberal side made many references to Biden winning more votes than any other POTUS in history. That is no longer true. The Electoral College can not be blamed this time. America has gone over to the dark side for now. We can only hope that the pendulum has reached its apex and the stark reality of what is going to happen next will cause a change in direction in the future. 

[kallend 2,027]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

  I guess the vast majority of Americans really do disagree with and don’t want all your liberal nonsense.  

Well, it couId be your mathematics that needs work,

or your vocabulary,

or you're just taking a page out the the Liar in Chief's playbook.

[base698 19]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

But sure, he's exactly like a black man fighting for civil rights in the '60s. What in the seven blue blazes of Jesus, Mary and Joseph the fuck are you talking about?

When someone bucks the powers that be the powers that be will attack you.  Just as true for Galileo, Socrates or whoever does the bucking.  This is true independent of whatever moral standing the person doing the bucking has.

 

[jakee 1,500]

8 minutes ago, base698 said:

When someone bucks the powers that be the powers that be will attack you.  Just as true for Galileo, Socrates or whoever does the bucking.  This is true independent of whatever moral standing the person doing the bucking has.

He is the power that be's. Galileo wasn't the President of Italy and he didn't appoint the head of the Catholic Inquisition because he was just a scientist. Socrates wasn't the Archon of Greece and he didn't appoint anyone anywhere in the government because he was basically a really annoying tramp.

This entire conversation is fucking insane.

[base698 19]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

He is the power that be's. Galileo wasn't the President of Italy and he didn't appoint the head of the Catholic Inquisition because he was just a scientist. Socrates wasn't the Archon of Greece and he didn't appoint anyone anywhere in the government because he was basically a really annoying tramp.

This entire conversation is fucking insane.

People in power don't get attacked and get 34 legal charges for missing documents (which could easily have been one charge).  Just because someone has money doesn't mean they are powerful.

Trump is powerful today, after the election of 2024.  Given the alliances he picked up this election, it's clear he now formidable.  

[billvon 3,006]

24 minutes ago, base698 said:

Just as true for Galileo, Socrates or whoever does the bucking. 

"They laughed at Einstein, too, you know!"

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This is true independent of whatever moral standing the person doing the bucking has.

Yeah, so given that you support a rapist, any claims you make about "moral standing" are laughable.

[Phil1111 1,149]

27 minutes ago, jakee said:

There is not one single person in the USA who is a more strongly embedded member of the establishment than Donald J Trump. He was born into a billionaire family. He attended private boarding schools and an Ivy League college. He was President. His allies control congress. His daughter in law chairs the Republican party. He appointed the Director of the FBI who oversaw the raid on his property. He appointed half of the Supreme Court who invented legal immunity for him. He appointed the Judge who was hearing and out of nowhere dismissed his most serious case. 

But sure, he's exactly like a black man fighting for civil rights in the '60s. What in the seven blue blazes of Jesus, Mary and Joseph the fuck are you talking about? 

You forgot to mention that trump personally made more money off the presidency than every other president combined in history.

"Donald Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years as President of the United States, according to a review of his financial disclosures by CREW. While Trump publicly took credit for donating his taxpayer-funded salary, that ended up being less than 0.1% of the revenue and income he disclosed during his presidency. Far from being a sacrifice, the donation was merely a fig leaf to cover up four years of brazen corruption."

"Donald J. Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes the year he won the presidency. In his first year in the White House, he paid another $750.

He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years — largely because he reported losing much more money than he made."

You have clearly not learned the first lesson of this election. Facts don't mean squat to the MAGA base and neither does corruption.

[jakee 1,500]

6 minutes ago, base698 said:

People in power don't get attacked and get 34 legal charges for missing documents 

Clearly, they do. People not in power don't get their own hand picked Judges and Justices giving them immunity.

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(which could easily have been one charge).

When have you ever in the history of American justice seen someone charged with just one count when 150 would do?

Nice to see that you agree that he should have been charged with a crime because he did a fucking crime though. Not sure where it leaves your point.

[base698 19]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yeah, so given that you support a rapist, any claims you make about "moral standing" are laughable.

The context was good or bad people can be attacked by the system.  I'm not sure I believe the rape charge, given it originated from the same system that has been dishonest too many times to count.  

As I said, I voted for Vance and Elon.  When one of you peaceful protestors assassinates him we have Vance.

[billvon 3,006]

3 minutes ago, base698 said:

The context was good or bad people can be attacked by the system. 

Yep.  But they were imprisoned for being heretics, not for raping women.  Most people see that a little differently.

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 I'm not sure I believe the rape charge, given it originated from the same system that has been dishonest too many times to count.  

It originated from E. Jean Carroll, not a "system."

He said he didn't rape her.  He was found to have lied about that by two separate and independent juries.  In both cases it was a unanimous decision.  That means that even the jurors that Trump's lawyers chose found him liable for the rape.

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As I said, I voted for Vance and Elon.  

Be fun watching his slow decline, and watching Trump supporters go from "we need Trump!" to "I hope he dies soon so we don't look like such fools for supporting him."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

“The Biden administration’s pace of oil and gas leasing isn’t just slow – it’s the slowest in half a century. A Wall Street Journal analysis of federal acres leased for oil and gas production over the past 50 years revealed that the Biden administration leased a historic low of 0.13 million acres during its first 19 months compared to the 4.4 million acres auctioned for lease during the first year and a half of the Trump presidency.”

The U.S. has more than 24 million acres under lease to oil and gas companies onshore — close to half are not producing. 

So adding more acres isn't the issue. Approving the drill permits is...which Biden did 50% more of then Trump.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

51 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

There is a fine line between freedom of speech and slander. Sadly, this distinction has disappearred from modern social discourse.

they have nothing to do with each other

Free speech has to do with the government restricting speech. Slander is something completely different.

[jakee 1,500]

12 minutes ago, base698 said:

The context was good or bad people can be attacked by the system.  I'm not sure I believe the rape charge, given it originated from the same system that has been dishonest too many times to count.  

It didn't originate from the system though, did it? Prosecutors didn't conjour it out of thin air, did they? It originated from a female victim who has told her story for it to be judged on its own merits and in the context of everything we know and have seen alleged from multiple indpendent sources about Trump's repeated behaviour. Pretending it just came from 'the system' is nothing but a salve for your conscience. Which is fair enough in a sense - it really should need salving. You've looked every survivor of sexual violence in the USA in the eye and told them "You know what darling? I just don't give a fuck."

Anyway, on another note I'm sure you'd agree that the entire US prison system should be redesigned to be far kinder to prisoners, with shorter sentences, more support and services available to them while inside and no prohibitions on potential employment when released - since most of them are just innocent victims of a dishonest system. And what about that CRT and the 1619 Project? Turns out they were absolutely right - the system isn't fair and justice isn't blind. If it can so maliciously and unfairly prosecute Trump in the full glare of the media spotlight then it would be the height of stupidity to claim it doesn;t do the same to black people no-one's looking out for.

Edited November 8, 2024 by jakee

[billvon 3,006]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

It didn't originate from the system though, did it? Prosecutors didn't conjour it out of thin air, did they? It originated from a female victim who has told her story for it to be judged on its own merits and in the context of everything we know and have seen alleged from multiple indpendent sources about Trump's repeated behaviour.

Be funny seeing conservatives apply this to (for example) Ghislaine Maxwell.

"She was just a victim of the system!"
"Her so-called 'sex slaves' were crisis actors."
"Why did they have to create a law just for her?  Isn't that suspicious?"